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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to how you determine when things are chronological and when they are not. I think that is what @claninja is trying to point out. I tend to agree. I would not equate that with you somehow seeing the seals and trumpets being parallel to each other...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    Everyone who has read 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 knows that the resurrected dead in Christ are part of the rapture. It is. When will you ever learn that not all passages that relate to the second coming of Christ contain all of the same details regarding that event? Just because Matthew 24:31 does...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    Dougg, please stop being silly. No one is going to do this because it's completely unnecessary. Everyone knows that the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens first and then the rapture (catching up to meet the Lord in the air) of the resurrected dead in Christ together with those who are...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    What you need to do if you really want to make a convincing argument is tell me your understanding of the timing of Revelation 19:11-21 and Revelation 20:1-3. You're trying to claim that at least part of what is described in Revelation 20:1-3, which includes Christ beginning to reign and Satan...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I can't even be sure what you are intending to say at this point. So, here's a question for clarification. Are you trying to argue that the phrase "And I saw" implies that what is described immediately after it occurs chronologically after what was described immediately before it? That has been...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    The dispensationalist interpretation of Daniel 9:27 that he follows after is quite possibly the worst interpretation of any verse in all of scripture. Attributing a verse about Jesus Christ to an imaginary Antichrist is about as bad as it gets. It's just completely unbelievable.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I'm very tired of your extreme childishness. You accuse me of diversion while you are diverting attention away from the fact that you didn't answer my question. So, answer it. Daniel 9:26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    No, I do not. I've already explained this to you before. You seem to have no ability to remember anything I say to you. I told you that the temple of God referenced there has to be the church because no future physical temple could possibly be the temple of God. And I told you that in the book...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You are incorrect. I fully understand what you're saying. But, for some reason, you are seemingly unwilling to address my point in relation to the beginning of Revelation 20 and the end of Revelation 19. The debate is not whether SOME of Revelation 20 follows SOME of Revelation 19. Do you...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Saying that is like saying that Jesus was not crucified. You can't possibly be serious. Daniel 9:26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    If you want to be Jesus centered then you should believe what He taught, which is the post-trib rapture. Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    It will be an unpleasant surprise for pre-tribbers when they find themselves going through things that they thought they were going to be taken away from.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    Right. Their spiritual eyes are closed because of their prideful insistence that they alone, among Christians, understand the truth. It's very ironic for this guy to try to tell others how to have spiritual discernment when he has very little of it himself.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    Right. He is just one of many lone wolves on this forum who each think he or she has a monopoly on the truth all to himself or herself. It means nothing to them that very few people, if any, agree with them. They are so full of pride to think that God is only interested in revealing truth to...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    LOL. He has refuted your false beliefs using scripture extensively and you know it.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    So, you apparently believe that Jesus Himself taught a preterist fairy tale. How nice. Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    This is definitely worth considering, but I also think that the text doesn't necessarily have to be referring to the ones who actually physically destroyed the city and the sanctuary. Peter said that the Jews killed Jesus in Acts 2:23 even though it was actually the Roman soldiers who nailed Him...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    It is not this simple. Who were the people responsible for the city and the sanctuary being destroyed? The Jews. The Jewish leaders and Jewish unbelievers are the ones who pressured Pontius Pilate to sentence Him to death and the Jews overall rejection of Christ (not all did, but most) was the...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    For some reason he doesn't want to tell you this, but he learned everything he believes from this website: Center for Biblical Theology and Eschatology It's referred to as the Center for False Bible Teaching and Hyper-spiritualized Nonsense. Or something like that. I might have the wording a...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    How fun. It has to be relevant to some extent because you need to be able to prove that Revelation 20:1-3, at least, follows what is described in Revelation 19:11-21 chronologically. So, your theological interpretation plays a part in this in that sense, at least. Yes, I know that. And I...