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Right. The pattern is clear. The prophecy first identifies the Messiah as the prince. After that it refers to the Messiah separately and the prince separately. The reason it doesn't say Messiah the prince each time is because that was unnecessary. The reference to the Messiah would be understand...

Nothing new that you're incapable of refuting it. You're all talk.

Can you explain why you said all of this while at the same time you believe that the seals and trumpets are parallel? It seems like you completely contradicted your own beliefs here, unless I'm missing something. While you don't agree with me that the vials are also parallel to the seals and...

You are the one not making sense of it. You believe in the false pre-trib rapture theory that you cannot support with scripture. Who knows? That sums up your pre-trib rapture belief. Who knows why anyone would believe in it. Nowhere is Christ's return compared to a Jewish wedding, so all of...

Who were the ones that verse is talking about? Everyone of faith that was previously mentioned. That included Enoch. What don't you understand about this? It does not say he never faced death. He was taken away in order to not face death at that time. That does not mean he didn't die at a later...

It's not a hypothetical to see that what he said at the beginning of Revelation 12 is the same as saying "And I saw". How do you interpret Revelation 19:11-21 and Revelation 20:1-6 then? Can you try to not be so vague? Revelation 20 starts with "And I saw". Based on the man-made rule you have...

That's not what He said. He did not say He would take us there. He said He was preparing a place for us so that where He is there we would be also. If He was going to take us to heaven, then why meet Him in the air? Why not just meet Him in heaven instead? It says we will be with Him forever...

Come on. It means the same thing there. As I said, he could have said "And I saw a great sign in heaven..." and it would have meant the exact same thing. You believe that Revelation 19:11-21 describes what happened in 70 AD, right? So, you are saying that you think Jesus did not start to reign...

Why do you think that Jerusalem and its temple buildings were destroyed in 70 AD? Do you think that God had nothing to do with that? What is your understanding of what Jesus said here... Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is...

That does not mean that every time he saw something it was something in direct sequence chronologically to what he saw previously. Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars...

It's not what is stated in Acts 1:11, at least. It only says He will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended there, which was visibly and bodily. That says nothing about where He is going after descending from heaven. According to Paul, we will meet Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17)...

No, I've never seen you do that. I don't know if I do that in relation to frustration over personal things that are going on. Maybe sometimes. What I get frustrated about the most on here is when my views get misrepresented or if false accusations are made against me. I admit that I don't handle...

What does this have to do with Hebrews 11? Also, scripture teaches that those in the church are God's chosen people. Please read this... Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him...

The ones it was referring to that all died are all of the people of faith that had previously been mentioned, which included Enoch. And what does that mean exactly? He could not have been taken up to the third heaven/paradise where Jesus was because Jesus said that no one had ascended there but...

I tried. And you know it. I will quote what I said to you if you don't remember what I'm talking about. I tried to get you to be more respectful to Marty and other posters and I said I was open to that as well and you proceeded to completely ignore that. We all act as if we know each other and...

I don't have this taking place in the 1st century. You have no clue as to what I believe, so stop trying to speak for me. Do you think there are no prophecies in the Bible about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings in the Bible? If so, why would the Bible be silent about such a...

Yeah, I think we established that we disagree on this years ago. Maybe we should just agree to disagree at this point instead of repeating the same arguments over and over again. The word consummation means the ultimate completion of an event. In this case, the context of that is in relation to...

Yeah, just ignore the context of the verse. The consummation is related to the consummation of the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. That happened in 70 AD.

The point is that there is no basis for assuming that the trumpet events occur after the seal events. The fact that the trumpets are described after the seals does not prove anything in relation to the sequence of events one way or another. That is not indicated in the text. You're making that...

You're welcome! This time try to remember what I believe. Jesus. Do you agree that when He confirmed the new covenant with His sacrifice and His blood that it made the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete? That is what Daniel 9:27 is talking about when it refers to the "He" who...