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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Honestly, I couldn't care less if you strongly disagree. I don't buy into your hyper-futurist approach to end times doctrine. You neglect to see how the book of Revelation defines the holy city and how the rest of scripture defines the temple of God. Earthly Jerusalem is NOT the holy city! How...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And what about all of your many accusations of the post-trib brethren like me? Somehow, it's okay for you, but not for others? Why are you such a hypocrite? You are the one who runs away when challenged to a debate. WPM challenged you to a debate about the relevant scriptures and you didn't...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The new MAN is neither male nor female. It's simply a reference to the church consisting of Jew and Gentile believers together as one body of Christ and one "holy temple in the Lord", as Paul explained in Ephesians 2:11-22. Why are you trying to place physical characteristics on a spiritual...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Because of their faith, just like the thief on the cross and everyone else was allowed to go there. I disagree, but whatever. Not going to spend time arguing with you about this. I believe the 144,000 includes them, but is not only them. We agree that they will be among those who are with Jesus...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    5. Revelation: The New Jerusalem.

    To be fair, she did acknowledge that she made a mistake on that (see post #7), which I can respect. As amils, we, of course, disagree with a lot of what she says, but I do appreciate her willingness to acknowledge her mistake.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    You have decided that "great tribulation" can't refer to God's wrath, but that is exactly how it is described. Jesus Himself said He would bring great tribulation upon them if they did not repent of their wickedness. God's wrath occurs after He provides time for people to repent first and that...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Okay. I disagree because the holy city is defined as the new Jerusalem in the book of Revelation (Revelation 21:2). The holy city new Jerusalem symbolically refers to "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9-10), which is the church. So, I see Revelation 11:2 as referring to the heathen (the Greek...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes. But, what is described in Matthew 24:23-26 is not included in this account, so that's why there's a gap in this account that isn't there in the other accounts. Can you tell me what your understanding is of Luke 21:20-24 and what you think the times of the Gentiles refers to?
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Do you think that describes Jezebel and others who practiced sexual immorality and ate food sacrificed to idols? It does not. It describes those in the church as a whole and Jesus goes on in verse 20 to criticize them for allowing and tolerating that kind of unrepentant wicked behavior that...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    5. Revelation: The New Jerusalem.

    You believe that people whose names are not written in the book of life will receive eternal life? That is absolutely false. How can that be? Only those whose names are written in the book of life will inherit eternal life at that time. Jesus indicated that everyone will either inherit eternal...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    As if you've never been hostile and disrespectful to me? You know you have. Also, you don't seem to understand that we're supposed to rebuke fellow believers when they blatantly twist God's word as you are doing with Revelation 2:22. It's not acceptable and I'm not going to sugarcoat that. You...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And to you. And may you some day have a discussion with us where you don't misrepresent almost everything we say.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    No, I'm not saying that at all. Not sure how you got that from what I said. When Jesus returns from heaven in the future, the souls and spirits of all dead believers from all-time will be with Him and will be united with their resurrected, changed bodies and they, along with those who are alive...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Right. Let's see, is this one of the 4 times Jesus (allegedly) referred to a pre-trib rapture? 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Well, I completely disagree then. Neither do I. Speak for yourself and others if you want. Don't speak for me. Sure, but we live in the realm of time and scripture is given to us from that perspective that we can understand. I don't and won't think of it from that frame of mind because I...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You interpreted his words the way you interpret scripture. Completely out of context. He was saying that you are deceived by a doctrine that comes from the serpent. He is not calling you a serpent, he's saying you are believing a lie coming from the serpent, which is Satan. You believe in a...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And another false claim! They never end from you. I have a problem with the word assurance as YOU were using it in terms of it coming from God. The word faith relates to having confidence and trust in God, as I already said. Read Ephesians 1:12-13. It refers to faith in terms of trusting in...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Well, bless YOUR heart for once again misrepresenting my view. You're excellent at that. You said the baptism of the Holy Spirit was a corporate thing on the day of Pentecost and I disagreed and never agreed with that. You saying "now you're disagreeing" is just flat out dishonest. Why do you do...