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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Imagine applying a verse that refers to wicked unbelievers to someone on this forum. That in itself is wicked, yet that's exactly what she did to us. I would never do that to anyone here. I would never try to apply any verse that refers to wicked unbelievers to any person on this forum. That's...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I don't know what you're talking about here. You are suggesting that Joel prophesied about two different future days of the Lord? Two different future comings of the Lord? Do you think we can trust the NT authors' (like Paul and Peter) understanding of the day of the Lord or not? They were...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Matthew 24:15-22, for one. There is no indication there whatsoever that it should be spiritualized rather than taken literally. Jesus had just been asked one question about when the temple buildings in Jerusalem would be destroyed and what He said in Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    That is exactly what you're doing by falsely accusing him of lying and of being a preterist. Look in the mirror. Take the log out of your own eye.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Who is the one who has an interpretation of Revelation 2:22 that literally no one else has? How much more hypocritical can you get? You are the one acting as if the Holy Spirit only teaches you, not him. He does not claim to have an understanding of any scripture that no one else has like you do.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    This is a serious accusation, so tell me what he has lied about. Be specific. Otherwise, if you can't do so, then you need to repent of your own lie that you told here.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So, when He argues with preterists about their understanding of the rest of the Olivet Discourse and their interpretation of other scriptures like Revelation, he is defending the doctrine he is arguing against? LOL. You keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. Do you never tire of embarrassing...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    LOL. This is what you're saying in relation to having called him him a preterist. Even though he disagrees with most of how preterists interpret the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation, you want to insist on calling him a preterist, anyway. You try to act as if you are holier than...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, he has, actually. Does the Holy Spirit guide you alone in your interpretation of Revelation 2:22 that you have all to yourself? Did the Holy Spirit decide to give the correct interpretation of that verse only to you and no one else in the world? You are the one belittling others when you...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I don't know what your point is here. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus will come in the future unexpectedly as a thief in the night which will bring "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). Peter provided the added detail that the...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Exactly. He has has ready made responses in a script, but as soon as you get him off script, he doesn't know what to do. You said he reminds you of pretribs with his avoidance and ad hominen attacks and I couldn't agree more. In terms of him not knowing what to do when things go off script...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Look in the mirror, hypocrite. Which of us is falsely presenting the other's views like you did when you called WPM a preterist, which he is not? That would be you. That is what trolls do. Christians rebuke other Christians when they blatantly twist scripture as you do. We are called to rebuke...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    LOL. You are the one trolling here. As if your whining and trolling are reflective of Christian behavior? By the way, rebuking people like you for blatant false teaching is very Christian. You are accusing someone of being a preterist just because of interpreting one passage of the Olivet...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I'm losing count of how many things you are wrong about! Seriously! You need to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). You even have one particular thing you're wrong about that literally NO ONE could possibly agree with you about and that is your claim that the "great tribulation" that Jesus said...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    BECAUSE IT IS! HELLO? How can a long period of time come unexpectedly as a thief in the night? That's NONSENSE! The day Jesus returns in the future, which is the day of the Lord, will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night resulting in "SUDDEN DESTRUCTION" from which unbelievers "SHALL NOT...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    As usual, you are not addressing my argument at all. As Peter indicated in both Acts 2:16-21 and 2 Peter 3:3-13, the last days refer to the time period that leads up to the day of the Lord. A long time period cannot come unexpectedly as a thief in the night. The day of the Lord is the day Jesus...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And? Joel 2 speaks of things that lead up to the day of the Lord which will be "a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness". Do you know why the day of the Lord is described that way? Because it's the day that is coming in the future when Jesus will come as a thief in...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You're missing the context of the passage. It is speaking of the last days that had begun already back then and would lead up to the future day of the Lord that will come as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" by fire upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You have done nothing to show that Joel 2 is the start of the day of the Lord period of time. Other scriptures say that the day of the Lord will arrive when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12). You need to interpret Joel 2 in such a way that doesn't contradict...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    5. Revelation: The New Jerusalem.

    We ARE told when. It very clearly shows all people, saved and lost (called sheep and goats) being gathered before Jesus AT THE SAME TIME when He comes with His angels (Matthew 25:31). That is when the judgment occurs. Very simple.