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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    4. Revelation: Christ the Judge.

    Yes, it's nice to agree on something for once, which is obviously rare for us. I'd say John 5:22 is quite explicit in what it indicates, so it amazes me that anyone would disagree that all judgment is done by Jesus. The verse very explicitly says that the Father judges no one and has committed...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Are we reading the same text? This is what I'm reading... Matthew 24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You have been clear in how you interpret John 6, 8 and 10, but I believe you interpret those in a way that contradicts many other scriptures. Let's take a closer look at what Jesus was saying in John 10:26. I'll include some surrounding verses for context. John 10:22 Now it was the Feast of...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes, that is shocking. You normally change your mind every time I present an airtight argument to you, but not this time. Somehow. I would agree with that, but that does not mean the baptism of the Holy Spirit was something different then than it is still today. There is no basis for coming to...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    How many times do we have to post this...maybe you need it in a larger font to see it? Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I'm not saying it's necessarily the main point of comparison, but it's a point of comparison. He did not specifically point out that the flood killed everyone outside of the ark for nothing. But, you think He did. That's part of His point, yes. Maybe even the main point. But, not His only...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

    Nowhere. So, why are people trying to relate 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 to peace in the Middle East? There's no basis for that. How do you interpret the passage? If you read all of 1 Thessalonians 5, you should see that the context of the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people in spiritual...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Stop falsely accusing people. That is evil. No one here would ever call Jesus a liar. What you need to do is define the "trib" part of "pretrib" so that people can know what you're talking about. You define the "trib" as God's wrath because you compare it to the flood of Noah's day, which...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You can't back up this false claim, so why make it? Do you think that the entire book of Revelation has only literal text?
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    What about them? They show that only believers are part of the bride of Christ. The New Testament shows that Gentile believers are made one with Jewish believers and are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Jewish believers, so all of God's promises to Israel apply only to believers, whether...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    You misunderstood the question. What he was asking you is if you have any New Testament scripture to support your belief that Zechariah 14 relates to the second coming of Christ. How do you interpret this passage: 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    No, here you go again. Says the guy with zero spiritual discernment who has been deceived by the spirit beings Satan and demons to think that they don't exist. There are no references in scripture anywhere to a spiritual or heavenly Judea. A heavenly Jerusalem, yes, but not a spiritual or...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    4. Revelation: Christ the Judge.

    How about accepting what John 5:22 explicitly says without causing other scripture to contradict it? How does the Father judge? Through His Son. Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You absolutely did not. Not specifically at all. All you did was share some of your beliefs without specifically addressing anything that I said.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    A new man is male, but that doesn't keep you from understanding that the new man represents the church/body of Christ. This argument simply is completely invalid and you need to stop trying to use it. Did you not see what I showed you in my previous post? ALL scripture is the basis of my...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Agree completely. I just pointed this out to her, also. Huge mistake there. I hope she's humble enough to take that one back. Looks like she forgot about this passage when she said that. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Nonsense. Is there some reason why you didn't bother specifically addressing even one thing I said? I specifically address every point you make. You specifically address none of mine. Is that how you think discussions on this forum are supposed to be? The Catholic Church is nothing, but the...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So, you correctly see the new man (body of Christ/church) as an "it", so why do you insist that the bride of Christ has to be considered female rather than as an "it"? Israel includes males, right? So, why do you dismiss the idea of the church being the wife/bride of Christ just because males...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I did not say we are females. I mean, you are a female (haha), but I'm not saying we in the church are all females. Please do not try to speak for me in terms of what I believe. You have shown many times in the past that you do not understand some of the things that I believe. So, again, please...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why didn't you address anything I said in post #432? Are you somehow not aware that there is a lot of symbolism in the book of Revelation? Why would you just assume that Revelation 14:3-4 is literal? Why would there be a special group of God's people who are male virgins? Does that line up with...