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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Revelation 2:18 refers specifically to people who were part of the first century church in Thyatira. There are some things within Revelation 2 and 3 that referred specifically to things that were happening in those churches and some things written to the church in general. In Revelation 2:18-23...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Many Christians who disagree with your particular false brand of end times doctrine understand these things, including the person you're talking to and most of the rest of the people who have been posting in this thread. So, you're preaching to the choir here about those things. But, one thing...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why are you such a liar? I use scripture to back up my views all the time. Do you think blatantly lying about post-tribs does anything but reveal what a liar you are? Is that your goal? To announce to everyone that you think it's okay to lie about people?
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    That is a lie to say we are "in no way honest". So, that was a very ironic thing for you to say. Dave and I use scripture to back up our beliefs. I use scripture EXTENSIVELY to back up my beliefs. Meanwhile, you are ALL TALK. The next coherent argument you make using scripture will be the first...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Mark 13:27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Do you think the Bible does not prophesy about that anywhere?
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Making false accusations towards someone does not help your case. Seeing one passage of the Olivet Discourse as relating to 70 AD does not make someone a partial preterist. Partial preterists believe that all, or most, of the Olivet Discourse is about what happened in 70 AD. Amills like WPM...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    He doesn't have to be a partial preterist to recognize that Jesus talked about both a local event that would occur in Judea and Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 AD, as well as the global event of His future second coming in the Olivet Discourse. It's a mistake for anyone to think that the Olivet...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Right. It's just silly for anyone to think that any reference to "great tribulation" has to be referring to the same thing. Look at this... Revelation 2:18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, I disagree. We will meet Him "in the air", not on the earth. He is not going to come from heaven in the future more than once. Do you see that described in the Acts 1:9-11 passage? No. He will come again from heaven ONCE in the future and it will be in like manner as He ascended to heaven...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    This guy thinks that He has the authority to redefine "the tribulation of those days", as if he has more authority than Jesus Himself. You can't possibly be more delusional than this guy is. While everyone else is talking about the timing of the coming of Christ and rapture in relation to "the...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    LOL! No. Jesus is coming once in the future and He will come from heaven in like manner as He ascended there (visibly and bodily - Acts 1:9-11). Your convoluted nonsense surely does not unpack it. MANY post-tribs have unpacked those verses included several on this forum and you stubbornly...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You know there's other accounts of the Olivet Discourse, right? What is going to happen is that the souls of the dead in Christ will be gathered from heaven and then their resurrected, changed bodies united with their souls will be gathered along with those who are alive and remain from the...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    When you say "pretrib", you mean pre-final wrath. You use the pretrib term differently than everyone else does, so it causes confusion and causes you to look like an ignorant fool. What Jesus taught is that the rapture will occur just before the final wrath comes down when Jesus returns. In that...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You complaining about someone else being too vague is like a robot designer complaining about an Amish person being too much into technology.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    They have their ready made scripts that they read from repeatedly and they are not able to respond if someone says something to them that requires them to go off script.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You confuse rebukes of your false teaching with a lack of grace. You expect that everyone here has to walk on egg shells when talking to you while being careful not to offend you. You expect to come on here with your holier than thou attitude and that people will just accept everything you have...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes, there's been so much grace coming from you towards me. Right, buddy? Or not. Your hypocrisy makes me wonder about some things...