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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    You have to wonder at this point. He tries to say that the Judea that Jesus mentions in the Olivet Discourse is spiritual or heavenly Judea. But, nowhere does scripture ever refer to a spiritual or heavenly Judea.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I referenced more than just Acts 1:11 in my post. Also, it says nothing about Jesus standing on the earth in Acts 1:11. Please read all of it and address what I said. Or, at least tell me how you interpret the following passage... 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yes, it is. There's a few things you should notice about the list of 12 tribes in Revelation 7. The tribe of Dan is missing from the list, which is never the case in the Old Testament when 12 tribes are listed. Both the tribe of Joseph and the tribe of his son Manasseh are listed with Joseph's...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    When that happens repeatedly, you have to wonder if it's on purpose or not rather than it just being a case where he's not reading what you're saying carefully or that he just lacks basic reading comprehension skills. As for me, I'm having no trouble understanding what you're saying at all. I...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Please address what I said first before asking me questions. As I've already told you before, I'm not interested in having a discussion where I address your points and answer your questions, but you don't address my points and answer my questions.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Someone who has been deceived by the spirit beings Satan and his angels/demons into believing that they don't exist is trying to say that someone else is confused. That's rich. Honestly!
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yep. Scripture only teaches that He is coming again once. This three comings (two in the future) idea only comes from someone's very active imagination. Acts 1:9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    It's very clear what you are saying, which is simply the same as what Jesus said, which was that the flood killed them all (took them all away - all except Noah and his family), yet this guy still asks if you're saying they all died before the flood. He seems to be making no effort at all to...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    No one would be dumb enough to try to prove something ridiculous like that, including him. How are you getting that from what he said? He came nowhere near saying anything like that. Obviously, all unbelievers died when the flood occurred, not before it occurred, as Jesus pointed out and as we...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Please pay closer attention to what he and others are actually saying. He said nothing about anyone being taken and destroyed BEFORE the flood. He showed how Jesus said that unbelievers were taken away and destroyed BY the flood. Not BEFORE the flood. Come on. Read what people are saying more...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Jesus had said this to the apostles before His ascension: Acts 1:5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” The apostles already believed in Christ at this point, yet they were not yet baptized with the Holy Spirit yet. So...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why did you stop at verse 16 in Revelation 14? Revelation 14:14-20 describes the same event as described in passages like Matthew 24:29-39, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:4 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. With the event being the second coming of Christ. All of those passages talk about believers being...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

    Where does Paul indicate in 1 Thessalonians 5 that the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people saying there is peace and safety in the Middle East?
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    He said "My elect" in relation to Jesus. The text says "His elect". Either way it refers to Jesus's elect being gathered. And Mark 13:27 makes it clear that they are gathered from both heaven and earth. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Did you notice that he referred to Judea in one of his posts as being spiritual Judea? But, nowhere in scripture is there any reference to a spiritual or heavenly Judea like there is to a heavenly Jerusalem. So, he has to resort to making things up that aren't taught in scripture in order to...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    They address what will happen at the coming of the Son of Man, none of which happened in 70 AD. There was no judgment of all people in 70 AD, the destruction that occurred was not unexpected to everyone before it actually happened in 70 AD, there was no sense in which everyone was either taken...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The confusion, in relation to who are taken and who are left, comes from the fact that two different Greek words are used and translated as "taken" in that passage. The Greek word used to describe those taken away by the flood is different than the Greek word used to describe the one taken in...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    But, it's a parable. Jesus is not intending to say that exactly half of all people will be taken and exactly half will be left when Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. That's silly. He is simply illustrating two different fates with all people experiencing either one or the other. One for those...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    It's a waste of time to debate who is taken and who is left. What we know is that one is saved and one is unsaved and we agree with pretribs that one being taken and one being left occurs when the rapture occurs. So, the discussion should be about what happens to those who are saved and what...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Here is how to properly understand who is taken and who is left and what happens to those who are taken and those who are left when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate...