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Notice how no one has an issue staying on topic without getting in to Preterism. Preterists love to boast about the "special knowledge" they have. Knowledge puffs up, Love builds up.

God's wrath is not the topic, the topic is whether salvation can be lost--God's wrath is only tangentially related inasmuch as salvation is supposed to be from God's wrath.

Dude, you turn every conversation into a discussion on Preterism.

Please make an effort to stay on topic.

You want to discuss Preterism. You are out of line--and you persist that way. That is not the topic. That is off topic. You should really just start a thread on the topic you want to discuss.

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You're misunderstanding me: I never once argued against the eternality of the life, I only argued about man's eligibility for the life that is eternal.

No, all souls are not "saved", since "salvation" has, at least in part, to do with not suffering under God's wrath. Therefore, to acknowledge that some suffer under God's wrath automatically makes it impossible to believe all are saved from God's wrath.

The issue is you are not acquainted with the material. It's really that simple. The life is only located in His Son (1 Jn 5:11). When we abide in Him. by obeying Him, we are in a position to be supplied with the Spirit (1 Jn 3:23,24). Some do not abide (1 Jn 2:28), because they're led away by...

OK Well my answer is, as I said before, I never denied those in Adam die, so I don't know what you're objecting to.

There are a lot of themes covered in Matthew 13, I don't know which you're referring to.

The eternal life is "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11), but not all "remain" in His Son (1 Jn 2:28)--not all "obey the command" (1 Jn 3:23,24).

Again, it is folly that you respond to a topic without knowing what you're responding to. Humble yourself--admit you erred, go back and read, instead of falsely ascribing to me a strawman you can successfully argue against just so you can have a false success.

Yes, that is the discussion we're having--some agree, some disagree.

You need to inform yourself before responding. Proverbs 18 13One who gives an answer before he hears, It is foolishness and shame to him. Go see what I have said, and respond to that. I never said those in Adam don't die.

I've already answered this: God has already rejected His children before. To say "children can't be unborn" is to use reasoning, but it is not to respect Scripture. Scripture trumps reason. Deuteronomy 32 5They have dealt corruptly with him; they are no longer his children because they are...

I'm not really that interested in the topic. The topic I'm interested in is the topic of this thread.

That is the topic of the thread.

Again, you need a thread dedicated to the conversation. It's off topic. I'm not sure why you refuse to make a thread to carry on that conversation.

It's not relevant--my entire point is a gifts can be lost, they're not categorically "unlosable".