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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    OK, one issue at a time. Prior to the fall of Adam and Eve, they were neither good or evil. They were completely in the innocence of their own minds, having no understanding of "the knowledge of good and evil". That specific knowledge was not known to them inwardly until after they had partaken...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thanks for your reply Pinseeker. Right out of the gate, before I comment on anything of your post, it's important for you to understand my perspective about Genesis 2:7. I am thoroughly convinced that man became a living [mortal] soul, and did not receive a soul of any kind, for an eternal...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In summary, the point that matters is Jesus' perspective and emphasis: "Remember Lot's wife". Luke 17:20-37 In the context of Luke 17, the KoG will not be coming with observation, but rather suddenly * shall He appear in His second coming. We, His Saints, are not to be looking around for...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually, there were two conditions for not being consumed by God's fiery inferno upon Sodom. "...look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain;" Honestly, I firmly believe that the eyes of Lot's wife saw the face of God, and therefore was consumed herself, by the consuming fire of...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    John.20[21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. John.14[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Amen! I agree whole heartedly. Especially your last sentence above.
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Hi Jack, do you think that when Jesus returns from Heaven, in flaming fire, taking vengeance on all who do not know God, and who do not obey the gospel of Christ, that they shall be consumed by the fire of God, as was Lot's wife? 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. And, if it be that same consuming fire of...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    It was the one warning, if not obeyed, had immediate consequences: "lest thou be consumed". What did the eyes of Lot's wife see? Ans. God the Father Himself, who is a consuming fire, whereby just looking upon Him is immediate death. Exod.33[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Gen. 19[15] And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. Instead adding in two additional daughters, making four, could it be that the two only daughters "left...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I know how I hear. 1John.4[8] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. [16] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I think we are in a "Grey area". I understand your position, but I am concerned that we both are putting it all on the knife edge of supposition. Because of the inaccuracy of historical data, concerning how many daughters of Lot there were, there isn't much hope for a solid conclusion about the...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    You bring up a good point. But now I am thinking that there is more here than meets the eye. Gen. 19[15] And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. Again, and...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Lot had only two children, both were his daughters. He had no sons, but he did have two "sons-in-law" through marriage by each of his daughters. In the hurry of it all, for Lot and his family to escape, the "sons-in-law" did choose to stay behind by mocking Lot and his warning. Hence the angels...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    If you want to believe that God is a sadist, keeping the unsaved alive forever to torture them, then continue on. "Torment" Strong's Number - G928 Greek: βασανίζω Transliteration: basanizō Pronunciation: bas-an-id'-zo Definition: From G931; to torture: - pain toil torment toss vex. KJV Usage...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually, I am being very scriptural by His spiritual mind that is within me. Again, please notice the two different thoughts of God in Rev.20[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and [he] shall be tormented...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Then Matthew 5:29-30 should be taken literally, as it is plainly stated?? I doubt it very much! Lot's wife was a member of Lot's family, who were the only ones who were spared from God's fiery inferno upon Sodom and Gomorrah. She chose to despise her salvation in that moment, by looking back...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thank God that the Holy Spirit through Paul used the word "inspiration" and not literation. 2Tim.3[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Otherwise, there would be alot of Christians with...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Let's not be myopic or foolish over the scriptures. God is a Spirit, therefore for everything that is tangible and practical in and of this world, His thoughts and ways about it (through His use of our words), is going to come to us with the values of His Eternal and flawless Spiritual meaning...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    "Remember Lot's wife"