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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    And so have I been guite clear. I get it, you see unsaved people living forever in some sort of off world community, other than the New heavens and the New earth. Sorry, you haven't even begun to digest that yet, never mind the issue at hand, that we are discussing. Here is a clue: "We have...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Let's all allow the Holy Spirit, through both Peter and Paul, answer my question, of what kind of future the wicked shall have: 1 Peter 4[17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    And my question is of course, how are the wicked dead going to eternally exist, since they never were given anything of God or from Him, that is eternal? You are answering all around that, attempting to force fit your reasoning for the eternal existence of the unsaved wicked, without explaining...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    For all of your reply, it still does not answer the intent of my question: how is each and all of mankind an eternal soul? How and when do they receive from God, the state of eternal existence upon physical birth?
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    If God imparted a percentage of His Eternal Being into Adam via "the breath of life", as an eternally living soul, how then does all the human race inherit that same portion of God's Eternal Spirit, when they are concieved and born as a child from his/her parents? I say imparted, because only...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I hope that you understand that our salvation and redemption is a two stage process. 1. We all are being "called" to take part in the first resurrection (who is Christ), by first repenting towards God, through faith in the sacrificial work of Christ. KJV Revelation 20:6. 2. From that point, we...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Good question. I'm not sure why. Maybe for the same reason that Moses wrote "breath of life", and not oxygenated air? Maybe it's all for the lack of a deeper understanding of all things? We must remember the reality of Isaiah 55:8-9. God must use our lowly and limited languages of words, in...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Amen! That is absolutely correct!!
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Ever since man's fall in the Garden, God the Father has deeply longed (longsuffering) to be part of we, who are His creation. But that day could not come, until God the Son came here to be the Lamb of God for us, as well as for His Father. Now that He has come, through faith in Him and the...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Pinseeker wrote: "No, He created man ~ all of us ~ in His image, and that means many things, including his existence into eternity future." Earburner's reply: > From the mind of God, His thoughts IMAG-ined us to be created in "resemblance" to His "likeness" (H6755, G1504), but not an exact copy...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    The ability for man to have eternal existence of any kind was never imparted or given to man upon creation. In fact, because A&E chose to partake of the wrong tree first, and not that of the Tree of Life, the opportunity for eternal life was separated from their grasp, when they were booted out...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Isn't smoke the results of "matter" burning? And is not smoke that same "matter" that is burning, but now in a different form, being the atoms of Carbon? It is scientifically proven that the atoms of Carbon/smoke can and do exist in the infinity of space, but they seek to disperse, and not for...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually, for those who believe that God gave man an eternal soul, it is they who are making God out to be part of His own creation, by Him imparting to them eternal existence, which would be a divine attribute of Himself.
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    And that's the answer! Adam's very first breath, the breath of life, was oxygenated air, nothing more and nothing less. Why is it, for understanding of how we were created, must we put the "religious spin" on it??? It's really very simple, and most all people understand it,.....except those who...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In Christianity, there are two prominent schools of thought about the breath of life. They are: 1. Man was given an eternal soul 2. Man became a mortal soul. By those two schools of thought, which ever is to one's liking, they become the ultimate filter(s) of how each of us interpret the Bible...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Aligning the scriptures with "the breath of life" is not a parallel to God inspiring His thoughts and ways through His use of the limited languages and words of men. What man may mean by his own words, are not necessarily verbatim for what the inspired thoughts and ways of God truly is meaning...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Of the three verses below, which one is speaking about the breath of life as being an eternal soul? Gen.2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen.6[17] And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I can accept that, but ideally before Adam had consciousness, he had to breathe the breath of life, which was oxygenated air. Let's not forget that it was Moses who wrote the book of Genesis approx. 3400 years ago. What did Moses know of the gaseous elements and the atoms of Oxygen, Nitrogen, or...
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    To know what is good, one must also know what is evil. To know what is evil, one must know what is good. They had neither, therefore they were created with innocence. God thought that His work was good, as one would step back taking pleasure in a work well done.
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    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    As for the creation of Adam, in his body, while laying on the ground unconscious, were all the elements from the earth of His creation, and the millions of "living cells" of all different kinds, were for a short duration alive and well, except for one thing, they required oxygenated air...