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Right. If he meant that people's eternal destinies are determined when they die then I would agree with that. It's not as if God needs time to figure out where each person will be for eternity. When each person dies, that is something He already knows and has determined. But, the eternal...

You didn't address what I said at all, which is typical of you. You brought up 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and the context of that verse is in relation to the wrath that will occur on the day Jesus comes as a thief in the night. On that day, we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air while...

This is total nonsense. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming (parousia) of the Lord will by no means...

LOL. I didn't lie. How about you actually back up your accusation? You aren't foolish enough to think that anyone just takes your word for anything, are you? Zechariah 14 clearly cannot be about the second coming of Christ and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise many times, so where else...

John 2:19-22 is not part of the Olivet Discourse and has a completely different context from Matthew 24:1-2 (Mark 13:1-2, Luke 21:6-7). Matthew 24:1-2, Mark 13:1-2 and Luke 21:6-7 obviously refer to the physical temple buildings standing at that time. Mark 13:1 Then as He went out of the...

I agree with that. It's weak because it causes you to place a limit on when God could destroy Jerusalem. You say it had to occur during one of the feasts. I see no reason for that to be the case. Also, Jesus didn't return in 70 AD, anyway. It's utterly ridiculous to try to associate 2...

That is not a reference to the day of the Lord's return. If Zechariah 14 is a reference to the second coming of Christ, then explain how you can reconcile it with Amillennialism? How can what is described in verses 16-21 occur after His return? If you want to be taken seriously, then explain...

LOL. It's hilarious to me that you are convinced by your rambling gibberish. I guess you must think it's just a coincidence that what Jesus described in Luke 21:20-24a all happened in 70 AD just as He prophesied. What I know is that your view is malarkey because you deny the obvious. Jesus said...

This is where you are wrong. You are not looking at the context of that verse. No, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is God's wrath that will be poured out on the day that Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night which will be immediately after the great tribulation ("tribulation of those days") ends...

I'm not evading anything. You're trying to change the subject. You are the one evading what your question was implying about shepherdsword's beliefs. By asking him if he thinks any Christian would be comforted to know they will go through the great tribulation, which you say includes God's...

Jesus was not referencing Deuteronomy 30:4. That verse is using hyperbole. Obviously, no one on earth could literally be driven out "unto the outmost parts of heaven". But, Jesus was not using hyperbole in Matthew 24:31, He was speaking literally. Matthew 24 isn't the only place where the Olivet...

No, I'm not. You just have poor reading comprehension skills. But, don't worry, you're far from being the only person on this forum with that problem. Right. So, if the great tribulation includes God's wrath, as you believe, then were you not asking him if he thinks it is comforting to any...

He's not talking about the Jews in general there, if that's what you're saying. He's talking about "the election", which he earlier defined as including the remnant of Israelite believers of his time that he contrasted with "the rest" who "were blinded". Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present...

You're not addressing who Paul defined as the elect in Romans 8:31-34 and why you would define the elect differently in Matthew 24:31? According to scripture, the elect include Gentile Christians, so why are you excluding Gentile Christians from the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31...

I will do that if you admit that you are changing the scriptural definition of the elect, which is that they consist of both Jew and Gentile Christians (Romans 8:31-34), in order to get Matthew 24:31 to agree with your doctrine.

Why are you judging me as if you think you are God and can read my mind. No, I am not trying to change anything you wrote. If I'm misunderstanding what you wrote, it's not on purpose. Explain to me how it makes any sense to ask someone who doesn't believe that Christians will experience God's...

You have no idea what "Scripture-based spiritual discernment" is. You think that entails spiritualizing as much of scripture as you possibly can. No, spiritual discernment requires being able to discern the difference between spiritual and physical text or between literal and figurative text...

I will do that if you admit that you are changing the scriptural definition of the elect, which is that they consist of both Jew and Gentile Christians (Romans 8:31-34), in order to get Matthew 24:31 to agree with your doctrine.

Yes, it is necessary. Since you include God's wrath as part of the great tribulation then you come across as if you are asking someone who doesn't believe that Christians will experience God's wrath if they believe that it's comforting to Christians to know they will experience God's wrath...

LOL. Did I say that he did? No, I did not. I brought up Paul to show who the elect are in order to aid your understanding of Matthew 24:31. I don't believe that any Christian will go through the great tribulation as you define it (you associate it partly with God's wrath). I am saying that it...