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No, Peter said that. (1Peter 5:13) Stranger

Well, exactly right. The Roman Church will not be reformed. It will go into apostasy but it won't be reformed. The Reformers learned that. As to (1 Peter 5:13), Peter says 'Babylon' because he means Babylon. Not Rome. And Rome was not known as Babylon in his day. The use of the term...

No. Stranger

My point is that growing and maturing in Christ and having a doctrine are not opposed to one another. In fact they will, or should grow together. Stranger

If any did say what you or others claim they said, they either lied or ignorantly contributed to the giving to Rome any authority over any other church, as I said without apology. There was no shifting of authority over the churches anywhere. No one church ever had that authority. Stranger

The reformers were trying to reform the Roman Church. But the Roman Church wouldn't have it. The reformation succeeded in causing the breakaway from the Roman Church. The Roman Church was beyond fixing. Stranger

The Bible gives nothing to show Peter ever went to Rome. You and the Romanist's must create something. At least you admit that Peter and Paul did not found the Church at Rome. Now we just have to get pope Peter out of there. No, I would have you believe Scripture. Paul was not under the...

(1Peter 5:13) "The Church at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you;..." This is not the Roman Church. How silly. It is the church at Babylon. Peter's ministry was to the circumcision. That is why he is writing to the strangers, the sojourners, which were the scattered Jews...

Well, it is my experience. No matter what doctrine a believer has, he always has a unique relationship with Jesus Christ that no other believer has. (Rev. 2:17) "...and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Stranger

You mean, would I believe her message? Stranger

You're quite welcome. Yes, we do have the rest of God to strive to enter into. But, if we do enter into it here, will we be stress free? Isn't it sort of like courage. Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing your duty in the face of fear. Staying your position when everything in...

Did I ever say we are not to mature in Christ? What did I say to make you think I don't believe we are to mature in Christ? And, how does that affect your doctrine? Stranger

I don't feel backed in a corner. I wonder why? Stranger

You are an overcomer because of your faith in Jesus Christ. (1 John 5:5) Stranger

As I said, if they are part of the Roman Church, then they are Roman. And, as I said before reread my post #1706. Stranger

Oh yes, when dealing with Roman theology, something always means something else. And that something else is whatever the Romans think they need it to mean. Handy. They did lie, or ignorantly furthered the lie. It is not pathetic if it is right. And it is. Stranger

No, Peter had nothing to do with any establishing of the Church at Rome. Paul did later. But Paul didn't found the Church at Rome. Again, (1 Peter 3:15) says nothing about Babylon. Yes you give me the testimony of men. I gave you the testimony of God. Stranger

I disagree. Our doctrine should never change because our heart changes. We are to have a heart after God. And we are to have sound doctrine. Our heart doesn't dictate our doctrine. Our doctrine is due to the study of God's Word, the Bible, as led and revealed to us by the Holy Spirit...

Probably because I never am, happy or relaxed. The Lord brings us all through various trials and experiences to form what He wants in us. To make us what He wants. We may be both believers, but God's purpose for us is different. You're observation is correct. I likened myself once to the...

I'm all for maturing and growing as a believer. How does that mean I shouldn't have a sound doctrine? And Lincoln was no King David. Stranger