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  1. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    Yet, even with the redeeming work of Jesus' death on the cross, many will still not find pardon - even those who claim to be believers.
  2. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    100%. Sin would not be possible if human agency was a strict extention of divine will.
  3. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    I'm not sure that is true. However, Scripture contains more than the writings of Paul. Salvation is certainly framed as an offer by John 3:16 and the author of Hebrews.
  4. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    There you go again, doing laps on ground already covered.
  5. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    Here, your cognitive dissonance really shows. You are trying to force your theology against reality. A man choosing to commit a series of murder is motivated by divine origin? <Sigh>I cannot convince myself that circles are not round. To suggest it is a matter of will, a matter of stubborness...
  6. Wrangler

    Arguing

    What if circles were not round? Let's stay focused on the thread topic. Thanks!
  7. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    You’re doing laps on this subject. Perhaps cognitive dissonance with your doctrines not holding g up to scrutiny? God creates the pot, yes, but does not create the reaction of the pot being created. Analogies are useful but limited. At some point, the analogy breaks down in comparison to...
  8. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    You are confusing multiple things, layer upon layer. Mercy is withholding a negative consequence. Justice is getting what you deserve. Grace is undeserved favor (giving a positive that the receiver did not earn). Regarding refusing grace, you are again confusing two things that are related but...
  9. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    In my view, Calvinism puts faith on its head; eternal life has nothing to do with what you believe OR ones believe is not a matter of free conscience.
  10. Wrangler

    O J is dead

    LOL. I guess we disagree then. OJ was one of my childhood hero's. I was shocked in seeing the Bronco chase. With certainty, I did not want to conclude my hero did anything wrong, let alone committed a double murder. Do you understand that? I did not WANT to come to that conclusion. By...
  11. Wrangler

    TULIP an open discussion

    There does seem to be a bit of reversing cause and effect. I've made similar posts this week several times in other threads. Profound. This is a well written analysis. Eisegesis is pervasive in Christendom, reading into verses a doctrine one already has. Sad.
  12. Wrangler

    O J is dead

    There are people who are guilty that the system does not find so. You do not understand or accept that.
  13. Wrangler

    Arguing

    @Duck Muscles, let me give you a real life scenario. I was offered a job out of State. I was open to it. My wife was open to it as well. In fact, to sweeten the deal, they paid her to come out with me on the interview - staying over the weekend. She is a life long resident of a mid-Western...
  14. Wrangler

    Arguing

    The premise of your scenario is flawed. In order for a couple to decide on something like that it first has to be acceptable to the one offered the job. There is no compromise with no. If I was open to the job, then and only then would it make sense to discuss it. Having said that, again you...
  15. Wrangler

    Arguing

    No.
  16. Wrangler

    Arguing

    @amigo de christo, It's been almost 5 minutes, since I've posted this general reminder. We need AIR the OXYGEN. Don't forget it. I urge you. :oops:
  17. Wrangler

    O J is dead

    You got it backwards. A lie may NOT be detected by the test but one that fails the test is not evidence the person is telling the truth. From Do Lie Detector Tests Really Work? So, does the polygraph actually work? Are the results accurate? It does work much of the time. Typically, when someone...
  18. Wrangler

    Arguing

    All souls need AIR the OXYGEN.
  19. Wrangler

    Arguing

    All truth destroys. It destroys lies. It destroys being enslaved to a lie. And it destroys death from such enslavement. Said more simply, truth sets you free and allows you to live freely.
  20. Wrangler

    Arguing

    You don't KNOW what will lead people to Christ. However, I reject the claim that one can be untruthful as a path to find the one who is truth. The whole set up is foolish! It makes no sense to placate the mentally ill. What does make sense is to speak the truth in love and grace. There is no...