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  1. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Spring off - and after - the father who created them.
  2. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Wrong. Not an answer to my question. You have been shown over and over again that Jesus has a God and his God is the only God.
  3. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    I never denied it; I just don’t read that to mean a son is not created. How li g will you deny that Christ has a God who is the only true God?
  4. Wrangler

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    And that offsets the thousands of times God is referred to by a singular pronoun? LOL
  5. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    No! Son means a created Being.
  6. Wrangler

    Our generation will not die before the rapture and the return of Jesus to earth. PTL

    A generation has NOTHING to do with retiring. 2 independent concepts.
  7. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Well, start with the fact that Jesus is said to be the son of God. It’s proof text he cannot be God. Then realize Jesus did not teach the trinity. See how to pray. That’ll help you get on the right path.
  8. Wrangler

    Our generation will not die before the rapture and the return of Jesus to earth. PTL

    Absurd. Generation is a biological phenomena, corresponding to the time it takes to generate the next line of descent. It is not a hard and fast number. Most people generate every 20-25 years but in America that is getting drawn out. I was 27 and my daughter was 28. My mother and grandmother...
  9. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Whose servant? God, in his entirety, in his unitarian nature CHOSE this servant.
  10. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No. It is a true experience with JW my SIL had. He has no reason to lie to me. In fact, the pain on his face was palpable when he told the story. He did not want to elaborate on what happened; a common trait among abuse victims who feel shame for being victimized. He told me how the troubles...
  11. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Not true. Even if true, it is irrelevant. Jesus died. That’s how we know he’s not God. No reading into common admissions, like I am is going to change that. And what is the answer to my question? Jesus explicitly said he is God's Anointed, he has a God and his God is the only true God. Why is...
  12. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Impossible since Jesus is not YHWH, not one verse says he is. Not one!
  13. Wrangler

    God's Personal Name & New World Translation

    As always tigger, you make great points! Because of the trinitarian bias, of supposing the suffering servant, anointed, is the anointer, we lose sight of the significance of God revealing his PERSONAL NAME, YAHWEH because he sought a personal relationship with us. Calling people by titles is...
  14. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    I disagree. @Aunty Jane answered a question I asked, clarifying the topic is less than doctrine. I’m not sure what the word is but the RCC do something similar with the claim of the infallibility of the Pope; they say the claim only applies to doctrine. An example I’ve been using lately is...
  15. Wrangler

    These three are one

    Ever read another translation? 7 So we have these three witnesses— 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree. NLT
  16. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Reminds of the Klingons in Star Trek. I don't mind that. If I decided not to go the my non-denominational church, I wouldn't expect to ever see them again, except randomly in places we frequent, like stores. I'm pretty sure they would not embark on a campaign of harassment and intimidation...
  17. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Thanks. I'm not so concerned about their doctrine but their cult obsession with controlling their members. In the case of my SIL, they sent squads to intimidate family members to shun him - even those who are no longer JW. If you read what @Aunty Jane wrote, she said that there really is no...
  18. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Yes and so do a lot of other people, including Jesus at Mark 14:61-62 High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One? Jesus: 62 I am. For some reason, you do not accept Jesus' 'I am' statement here to be definitive. What makes this bizarre is this "I am"...
  19. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    And I think it is OK to speculate so long as you keep your feet on the ground, keep distinct what we know through explicit text from how ambiguous verses could be taken - but are not necessary consequences. Knowing we more or less agree on politics, let me reference public policy matters...