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  1. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    A trinitarian tactic is to always be on offense. They only acknowledge evidence in favor and cannot entertain evidence against. They tend to just ignore questions that reveal weakness in their doctrine. That their desperation is increasing is shown in the fact that they make increasingly...
  2. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Just because John wrote more poetically and emotionally does not mean it is also not the most anti-trinitarian book of the Bible. Jesus and Hohn were both monotheist Jews and there is no evidence they ever stopped being Jewish. John does NOT start off with Jesus' deity. We know this because he...
  3. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    There is only one true God and it is not Jesus. The personal name of the one true God is YHWH. Ex 3:15. This is the name Jesus says is the hallowed name. Matthew 6:9 Scripture is explicit, 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6. Scripture is explicit that Jesus is the Son of God...
  4. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Untrue. The Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book of the whole Bible. In it Jesus said he has a God - who we relate to as father - who is the only true God. This is good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?
  5. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    You are getting lost in the details - that I do not even have nor do they change the essential facts. Funny that I admitted that I do not have a comprehensive report to give yet you keep asking me comprehensive questions. :rolleyes: No. I am glad you recall the story of the 10 yo with the...
  6. Wrangler

    Gnosticism

    The verse is not stating knowledge is a requirement for salvation. What are you saying knowledge is a requirement for?
  7. Wrangler

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    The opposite is true. A Biblical fact that is little advertised by trinitarians is that Jesus explicitly stated he has a God himself (John 20:17, Mark 15:33) who is the only true God (John 17:3). What does this mean for other gods, like the trinitarian god? The most anti-trinitarian book in the...
  8. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    ME: No, you did not post proof. Just a typical trinitarian tactic of posting many verses having nothing to do with the subject, hoping something sticks to the wall. Just post one verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are...
  9. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    I don't need 500 'plain and clear' passages that are not saying at all what you claim. Such posts make me wonder if you see 'support' for the trinity in cloud formations and cereal shapes? Please just refer to 1 verse that says something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the...
  10. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Also, have you noticed the passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis? They make ridiculous, intellectually dishonest claims, like this thread's OP - that Jesus is YHWH - with no explicit Scriptural evidence. All the verses they rely on are ambiguous where they insist their interpretation...
  11. Wrangler

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    Premise 2 is untrue. Therefore, your conclusion is untrue. Jesus' title is Anointed. He is Anointed by God. He is not the Anointer, not the Creator but a created Being. This is what it means to be a son, to be a created being. This is why Scripture explicitly says Jesus is the firstborn of all...
  12. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Scripture is explicit that Jesus is not God as it says, 'For us, there is only one God, the Father,' which agrees with Jesus saying he has a God - who we relate to as our father - who is the only true God. That is good enough for me. Why is that good enough for you? Not really answering my...
  13. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Evidently, that point is scrutiny of the inherently contradictory, pagan notion of 3-is-1-ism.
  14. Wrangler

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    This is factually incorrect. God is the creator. His children are the created. Jesus’ essence includes a resurrected body. God’s essence includes a spirit.
  15. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    You will ask me again?! What about my questions that you aren’t answering?
  16. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    This is plainly - or to borrow their preferred term - clearly shown by their response to what I often post. The Bible says 'For us, there is one God, the Father', which affirms what Jesus said; that he has a God - who we relate to as father - who is the only true God. This is good enough for me...
  17. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    LOL The opposite of this is true. 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' What does this mean about anyone who walks away from reading the Bible concluding anything but the Father is God? It means they are mistaken or deceived. In my experience, it is both and the mistake takes the form of...
  18. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    You are seeing things that aren't there. The trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a...
  19. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Since "Jesus is God" is not in Scripture, it is not as you allege crystal clear. What is crystal clear is that Jesus is not dead, since he died and was raised from the dead by God and believing this is a condition of salvation. From today's devotional reading: if you confess with your mouth that...
  20. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Right! No matter what language you retreat to, there is no "Godhead" in Scripture.