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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    What is this based on? There is no indication whatsoever that there would be any gaps between any of the 70 weeks. You are creating a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks in order to make it say what you want it to say. Messiah being cut off some time after the 69th week ended places the timing...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Why would you suppose that I would not answer that question? Of course I will. It's very clear. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    It's not a specific thing you can point to and determine that. It's something you need to discern by seeing what is going on in the world. But, I'm not sure why you're acting like such a time period wouldn't even happen. Do you think in 1 Timothy 4 that Paul was just saying people would still be...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    I don't see that he would have felt that was necessary in this case since the rest of what he talked about would line up with the idea of many falling away from the faith. He talked in verses 8 and 9 about "that wicked"...whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Christian Liberty Forced me to Leave Dispensationalism

    That's clear as mud. So much for everything being literal and straightforward. In scripture, the term antichrist refers to anyone who denies Christ. It never refers to an individual Antichrist. Also, the beast is not an individual, but a kingdom. Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Rapture - At Any Hour

    I understand, and since that does bother you, I will make an effort to cut down on that. It's not worth it. I'd rather just discuss things without creating distractions and I'll try to keep the LOLs to myself. Goodness sakes. Why do you have to bring NOSAS vs OSAS into everything? That is...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    Right. Agree 100%. Many people misunderstand what Paul was saying here: Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    I don't even know where to begin on this. It's as if you recognize that both Jew and Gentile Christians are His chosen people and then you just throw that out the window and focus on Israel instead. It seems that you believe when God blinded some of the Israelites, that they then remained...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    We have a lot of those types on this forum who have beliefs all to themselves. It's hard to even fathom how arrogant those people must be to think God reveals truth only to them.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    You completely missed my point. Paul was NOT talking about things just being the same as always in later times as it relates to apostasy. He indicated that it would be increased in later times, just as Jesus did in Matthew 24:9-13. So, I see no reason to not see 2 Thess 2:3 the as referring to...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    Did you even read what I said? My point was that it can't be referring to the rapture because Paul said the apostasia has to occur first before the rapture. You are absolutely wrong to say that the rapture occurs before the day of the Lord. Paul defined the day of the Lord as being the day of...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    I was referring to this verse in particular. The only other verse where the word "apostasia" is used. Acts 21:21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from (apostasia) Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No offense, but I don't need advice from you. We agree on a number of things as amils, but I disagree with how you seem to spiritualize almost everything. The Bible does prophesy about things that would occur in actual physical nations and other places on earth. The accuracy of those prophecies...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You're quite delusional. You are calling theories facts. I guess you have no interest in being taken seriously.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yes. Why would God reward Christians at 3 different times instead of all at once? I do not believe that makes any sense. And, it contradicts the parable of the wheat and tares where Jesus said to let both grow together (wheat/Christians and tares/non-Christians) until the harvest, which is the...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    LOL. And, yet, he never exegetes even one verse of scripture. He somehow thinks he knows it all, but at the same time is completely incapable of backing up his prideful claims. No one is more delusional than him.
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Pretribs have absolutely no answer for any of this, but they won't admit it. They just ignore the context of these scriptures completely because they just believe what they want to believe.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    LOL at you telling someone else to debate when you repeatedly refuse to do so. Debate does not consist of just making claims and giving one liners without any exegesis or any explanations to back up your claims.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You misunderstood me. This is what I meant. I wasn't saying you said a beast is always and only ever referred to as a king. I'm saying you said that a beast can sometimes only refer to a king (or a kingdom or both) and I'm disagreeing with that and saying that a prophet beast always refers to a...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I thought you agreed with me that Revelation 20:6 indicates that one must have part in the first resurrection in order to avoid the second death. I guess not.