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Agreed. In my view it's not talking about an individual man of sin, but rather to sinful man in general or to the ones who fall away in particular. I don't believe "the man of sin" is an individual any more than I believe "the man of God" is an individual in this passage: 2 Timothy 3:16 All...

No offense, but this response is far less than convincing. As I see it, in your view Paul brought up the rapture in verse 1 for no real reason and then proceeded to change the subject in the very next verse to a different event. I don't think that makes any sense. It's clear to me that he...

It's important to remember that the Bible was not written in English. We need to use Hebrew and Greek resources at times to help us understand what was actually written in scripture. Revelation 12:12 is not referring to a literally short amount of time. The Greek word translated as "short" in...

I understand. I was just trying to bring up a point that I think should be focused on just as much as the meaning of the word apostasia in order to determine what Paul is talking about in that passage. Can you just answer one question, though? What do you think would be the reason that Paul...

Would you like to address what I said in my post or would your rather just post poetry?

He wants to prove a pretrib rapture using the book of Daniel which makes no sense to me at all. The rapture is not mentioned anywhere in the book of Daniel. But, I guess he realizes he can't prove a pretrib rapture using NT scripture.

Well, I'm sorry for saying that then. The thing that bothered me that you did was that you were in an argument with pretribs and refuting pretrib and you decided to get some digs in at Amil in the process for no good reason. And you definitely were not coming across as if you had low self esteem...

That is not meant to be taken literally as if you will need to literally travel east to get to the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said that right after a Roman centurion displayed his faith in Jesus by saying that he believed Jesus could heal his servant from where He was without even having to go to...

No, Paul was not saying that at all. Paul was talking about what they may have heard or read that someone said that was false. Evidently, there were people trying to say that Christ's coming and our being gathered to Him (the day of Christ/the Lord) was already at hand, so Paul was telling them...

Of course. Are you? I always do. That's what I often try to get pretribs to do, so it's strange for you to ask me this question. I have no interest in taking that approach to determining the truth about the rapture as I don't believe that is necessary. But, if you exegete the verses, I'll take...

Where does it say He would return to rule over His kingdom? Scripture says He will deliver the kingdom He rules over now to the Father when He returns at the end of the age (1 Cor 15:22-24, Matt 13:40-43). According to Ephesians 1:19-22 He received His kingdom by way of His resurrection and...

That's to be expected from the guy who doesn't think Paul's writings about prophecy can be used for doctrine.

Consider that the 7th trumpet also signals "the time of the dead, that they should be judged". Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the...

He is basically a full preterist even if not a typical one because he denies the future bodily return of Jesus and the future mass bodily resurrection of the dead.

What does that mean for it to not be realized? Do you think the kingdom His followers are in now is not real? Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the...

Yes. That's what I said. It looks like you are not ready for that yet? I see your attempts at humor. But, you are rarely actually funny, in my opinion. And you are trying to be humorous too often. Can you try to tone it down a bit and mix it in less frequently? I don't think that's asking too...

I disagree, but the point I'm making, that you don't seem to want to address, is that the apostasia/falling away occurs before the rapture, so it can't be a reference to the rapture. Any unbiased person can see that Paul referenced the rapture in 2 Thessalonians verses 1, 2 and 3. In verse 1...

Can you please specifically address what I said in my post? You didn't specifically address one single thing I said. You expect me to specifically address your points, but you don't specifically address mine. That isn't fair and I'm not interested in having a one way discussion like that as I've...

He normally gets offended very easily, so that's why I responded the way I did. He's the last person who should be telling others to lighten up. Anyway, I'm tired of this kind of discussion. Such a waste of time. Let's just get back to discussing scripture and stop trying to make everything...

Have you not seen the jokes I have told on this forum? And the funny animated gifs I sometimes use in response to posts that contain complete, utter nonsense? You don't know me at all. I have a good sense of humor and everyone who knows me would tell you that. But, you are joking around on here...