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No, you think about it. If a Christian is martyred, does that mean the gates of hell prevailed against that person? Absolutely not! Yet, that is how you are thinking of the gates of hell prevailing against the church. As if martyrdom would have anything to do with prevailing against the church...

Weak response, as usual. You come here acting like you know it all, but any time your opinions are challenged, you just respond weakly like this instead of addressing the points that are made. Why are you scared to address anything I said in my post? Do you expect to be taken seriously when you...

Are you saying that the term "saints" can't be used to refer to those who are in the church? If so, that is clearly false. Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the...

Where is that taught in scripture? Being martyred is not the same as being overcome by dark forces. Being overcome by dark forces would have to do with the church being overcome with false teaching, not being martyred. What? This is complete nonsense. There has been many in the church who has...

Total nonsense. At Jesus's one and only future coming from heaven, He will be joined by the souls of the dead in Christ (1 Thess 4:14). They will be united with their resurrected, changed bodies at that point. NOWHERE does scrpiture teach that Jesus will come a second and third time from heaven...

This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've seen. The church exists in both heaven and on earth with Jesus being its chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:19-22). Even if every living believer was martyred it could not be said that the gates of hell have prevailed against the church since the...

Unfortunately, what you did, knowingly or not, was give credibility to the claim that the six things had to be fulfilled in order, as someone else was claiming. But, that claim does not have any credibility as the text itself does not indicate that they had to be fulfilled in the order they were...

I fully accept it. I also accept that the Hebrew word translated as "many" there does NOT mean "many, but not all" as you falsely believe. And I showed examples where it is used to refer to all of something, the number of which is "many" and you just ignore all of that because you want to make...

Where does it say that? It doesn't. Your doctrine is based entirely on assumptions. The thousand years is an ongoing time during which people die and then go to reign with Jesus in heaven. It is only your assumption that those who reign with Christ all reign with Him for the entirety of the...

It's strange that they apparently ignored Satan's little season. But, they believed that sin and death would end forever once Christ returned just as amils do, right?

So, those Chiliasts believed that the thousand years was literal and that it had begun with Christ's resurrection? And it would end with Him ushering in the eternal new heavens and new earth at His return as Amils believe?

I think it's safe to say that a fair number of the "many" who disagreed with him were amillennialists. Regardless, this is no way to determine what scripture teaches. We need to be like the Bereans and study the scriptures for ourselves to see if what someone says, including any early church...

Unlike you, I'm going by what the text actually says in relation to the seventh trumpet. You don't want to accept what it says will happen at that point. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the...

You don't have to resort to that in order to cater to people who insist on believing false doctrine. How can you have the anointing of the most holy last in order after saying "Jesus arrived on the first day of the 70th week where He was baptized in the Jordan by John. At that same time, He was...

It's all opinions from them and no exegesis of scripture whatsoever. No matter how many times we ask them to exegete scripture, they don't do it. They clearly never will. They know what happens when the scriptures are actually examined closely and in context. It always resulsts in disproving the...

LOL. Yeah, I'm sure none of the "many" who disagreed with him were amillennialists? You expect me to believe that? Come on. Yes, you are being naive. I never said that you said that. This is why I usually stay out of these types of discussions. It proves nothing and is a big waste of time...

LOL. I don't base my beliefs on what the ECFs taught. Does everything you say have to be a lie? Can you never tell the truth? There was no consensus on these things then just as there still isn't now, so why would I put my trust in their teachings? So ridiculous. I base my beliefs on scripture...

The KJV and other English translations have the end arriving when Christ comes. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the...

Please stop being naive. You quoted a few ECFs. That represents all of them? Justin Martyr, who was a premillennialist ECF, said that many true Christians believed otherwise. So, there were many amillennialists back then as well. To act as if they all were premillennialists in the early church...

Pretribbers never exegete scripture and it's for good reason. They know that when you actually look at scripture closely and in context, you won't find pretrib anywhere in scripture. They will acknowledge that Jesus compared what happened in Noah's day and Lot's day to what will happen at His...