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Where are you getting this from? What basis is there for claiming that the dead in Christ are only OT believers? He wasn't talking about never dying bodily there. Obviously. He was saying they will never experience the second death. The dead in Christ are only dead bodily. They will all be...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in...

Not for the church it isn't a dreadful day. You're only looking at half of the story. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail...

Exactly. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are...

Please explain what you mean by this. Okay, so you acknowledge that this one is fulfilled "By Jesus's death on the cross". And this is something that had to be fulfilled within the 70 weeks, right? So, why do you not have His death on the cross within any of the 70 weeks, considering that His...

What do you mean? It's both the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain that will be caught up so Paul could say "we" regardless of whether he ended up being one of the dead in Christ or one of those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord.

Do you have any thoughts on this? Do you believe that Christ's death was necessary to fulfill any of these things? If so, why don't you have His death occurring within any of the 70 weeks?

LOL. You make all these claims while doing NOTHING to back them up. Do you imagine that you're making a strong argument here? You're not. No one is saying that the judgment takes place at the same exact moment as the rapture, but we believe everything will happen quickly when Jesus comes. We...

Why? Should He just leave us on the earth while He is burning it up?

LOL. You have no idea what exegesis is. It's not something you have done. And how could you even do it? Using what? You don't trust any English Bible translations.

The one described in passages like 1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. This one: Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as...

Define your terms. In this case, you are calling God's wrath the trib. My belief is not that the rapture is post-wrath. Noah and Lot were brought to a place of protection first and THEN God's wrath came down on all unbelievers. That's my understanding of the rapture as well. Jesus will come and...

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I see the holy city, new Jerusalem, as being the mother of literally all believers (Galatians 4:26) and the great city Babylon as the mother of all unbelievers.

Simple. All pretribs are taught the same delusion that was originally dreamt up in the 1800s.

What is hard to understand about this? Just read 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3. Believers will be caught up to Christ when He comes and then He will destroy all of His enemies with "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape".

You have? I don't think so. You may reference scripture occasionally, but you never exegete it. You're just like the pretribs in that way.

No, it isn't. The problem is people misrepresenting our view. Stop the ignorance. We (amils) have the rapture occurring and then immediately after that Christ destroys all of His enemies. Very simple. It's described in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3.

LOL. Look at you trying to manipulate scrpiture to make it say what you want it to say. Pathetic. We should use plain, straightforward scripture like 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 to help understand more difficult scripture contained in books like Daniel, Isaiah and Revelation, but you do it the other...

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Here...

I found the thread I was talking about that I had created about that, but it was actually on the other forum I post on (you post there, too) and was from a few years ago. I will just repost my original post from that thread in the new thread you created and we'll go from there.