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No. They didn’t. Why does that not settle the matter? It did for the church, up until the 4th century.

“Lusts within are worse than lions without.” - Thomas Watson

She already knows that I’m not racist, nor Islamophobic. So do you. She won’t understand step 3 and step 4 until you tell her the context.

When is the last time you posted a message directly to me? Was it this week or was it last week? Post in thread 'God Commands Righteous Violence' God Commands Righteous Violence July 30, 2026 is the last one which I located quickly.

First, Vlad the Impaler. Now, ninjas. It’s probably thinking, “OMG, what’s next?”

Before this morning it never would have crossed my mind to ask this question: Did Jesus and the apostles teach their followers to become like ninjas? AI Overview had this to say - “No, Jesus and the apostles did not teach their followers to become like ninjas. They taught people to follow the...

Even with a full night’s rest, which I didn’t get, I couldn’t imagine Jesus and the apostles as ninjas, teaching the followers of Jesus to be / become ninjas. In another thread, readers have been asked to see Vlad the Impaler as a Christian role model. What a world we live in. Maranatha. P.S...

Thank you for the good conversation. If only ninjas stopped at that. My grandson is 7 yeard old. He was awarded a green belt in Taekwondo on Monday this week.

Thanks for the feedback. Yes. I haven’t twisted any meanings. I’m sorry that it has come across that way to you. I have. (In fact, many times in this forum when discussing the matter.) The only thing which I have ruled completely out is killing my attacker / my enemy.

We won’t be able to agree that Jesus physically inflicted violence on them. I agree with that.

Thanks. @Riven has only been a Christian for around a year. For reasons that I won’t go into here, he needs to hear that coming from Christians other than me. He’s a good thinker and he’s growing in his faith.

The power was in his spoken word. He didn’t push them. I think you still need to confront the fact that Jesus and the apostles didn’t harm anyone and taught his followers not to harm anyone. Thanks. Then we should all be out physically turning water into wine?

@markalan do you share the belief expressed by @Riven that the Golden Rule is divorced from reality?

The solution to protecting innocent people is to let the state do what it is required by God to do and for the followers of Jesus to do what he and the apostles taught his followers to do. I’ve never tried. Do you conclude from your inability to make water into wine that you shouldn’t follow...

The Quran unequivocally states that Jesus is the Messiah. If a Muslim challenges you on it, be prepared to show it to them in their book. Yes. They haven’t all heard. And even those who have heard don’t fully understand without receiving further instruction. That’s the normal and routine...

See your question below. He didn’t touch them. He spoke and they fell. What I know is that followers of Jesus are instructed to imitate him, as the apostles imitated him. You know that too, don’t you?

That’s right. It also was not the “role” of the state to spread the Gospel. Did Jesus kill anyone? No. Neither would I nor the apostles condone it. My position is that spiritual warfare is linked to protecting innocent people from attack. I agree.

Yes. When Paul wrote, those people were pagans. It was their role, not the role of the apostles and the followers of Jesus, to protect people. How does scripture say followers of Jesus are to protect themselves? Isn’t it by putting on the full armor of God? If someone were to ask you to pray...

There is no guarantee that anyone can prevent innocent people from being harmed or killed. The government certainly can’t guarantee it, and it is the governments responsibility. Let’s go back to Jesus and the apostles. Were they able to “prevent innocent people from being harmed or killed and...

That’s right. Yes. That’s right. But there is something different now than it was when Paul wrote, and that difference is what has caused the problem we are discussing.