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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Lord will fight for Israel and Jerusalem; Zech. 12

    Yes. Well, technically, verse 37 does since Zechariah 12:10 is quoted there. We need to allow scripture to interpret scripture. The context of Zechariah 12:10 is in relation to people mourning Christ's death while the context of Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7 is people wailing in fear of His...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    How could he or any of us see it? Jesus only mentioned that those in Judea would need to flee to the mountains if they see it. Are you in Judea?
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Do you not see yourself as a Bible teacher? You know that the gift of teaching is one of the spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit, right? Should no one have that gift? Should we not teach people what God's word says? I was not taught by men, either, but there's nothing wrong with people being...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't know what you are saying here. That verse is present tense. Surely, "salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ" has already come! Do you think salvation has not yet come? Do you think you are not yet in the kingdom of God? Has the power of Christ...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Yet, that supposed temple would eventually be destroyed since there will be no temple on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Why would Jesus ever rule from a temple that would later be destroyed? Do you not know that we (the church) are the temple of God (2 Cor 6:16, Ephesians 2:19-22)? Why would...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I mean no offense when I say this, but that's a funny thing for you to say to any of us Amils. You believe in multiple comings of Christ, multiple raptures, multiple resurrections, and so on. You have no idea how hard it is to follow what you say. sml No, I'm not following what you are saying...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That is not two raptures, they both will happen when the one rapture occurs. Both passages reference the dead in Christ being resurrected. The dead in Christ will not be resurrected at two different times. Paul gave the order of resurrections here and did not mention two different resurrections...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    As I indicated to him, "these things" referenced in Luke 21:31 are not the same as "these things" referenced in Luke 21:36, but he is not understanding that. Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    According to scripture "the last days" and "the last time" already began long ago at the time of the first coming of Christ (Acts 2:16-21, 1 John 2:18). This is what I said: How did your response address this? To talk about all Israel being saved in the future is to ignore all the Israelites...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I would say you clearly are not understanding it. Again, Romans 11:26 does not say "And THEN..." or "And AFTER THAT..", but that is how you are interpreting it. You also are seemingly not taking passages like this into consideration: Acts 3: 24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Agree. It's very clear. Jesus will return on the last day which will be "after the tribulation of those days" when the last trumpet sounds. At that time the dead in Christ will be resurrected and, with those who are alive and remain, will be gathered to Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17) and He...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Then it can't be "the temple of God" that Paul referenced in 2 Thess 2:4. He didn't say "the fake temple of God". He said "the temple of God". It has to be a temple that God Himself would call His temple. What temple of God does God dwell in now? Not one made with hands. 2 Corinthians 6:16 And...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Jesus said everything within the walls including the temple buildings would be destroyed, not the walls themselves. Luke 19: As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    You won't address the challenges being made to this. Would you agree that Daniel 12:1-2 is talking about a global event? If so, does Matthew 24:15-21 look like a description of a global event to you?
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Apparently, your idea of a discussion is to completely ignore what the other person says without addressing it at all and then talking about something else besides what the other person said. What a waste of time. I'm not interested in a one way discussion.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Let's stop using words like "ignoring", shall we? I am not ignoring anything. I am going into great detail about how I understand all these things. Surely, you can see that? So, don't tell me I'm ignoring anything because I'm not. You say that what Paul said in Romans 11:26-27 occurs after the...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    You are failing to see how Luke explained what Matthew 24:15-22 and Mark 13:14-20 are about. We should look at all 3 Olivet Discourse accounts for the full understanding of the Olivet Discourse. Most people only look at Matthew 24 (Matt 25 is also part of it and that often gets ignored, too)...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Matthew 24:21 and Daniel 12:1 have different contexts. Matthew 24:21 is clearly about local tribulation in Judea and Jerusalem. Daniel 12:1-2, however, involves global tribulation because its timing is related to the resurrection of the dead which we know will occur at the second coming of...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    This will be a sign for you:

    Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ....28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    This will be a sign for you:

    You are being foolish. This changes nothing. You are still giving significance to one's nationality in a passage that says nationality means nothing in relation to salvation. Paul is saying peace and mercy to all who follow the rule that says being a new creation in Christ is what matters rather...