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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Do you not recognize that as referring to the new covenant that was established by the blood of Christ long ago? Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I mostly agree. I'm not sure if I would agree that the tribulation of those days extended from 70 AD until His future coming, but I would allow for that possibility. Luke called that time period you're talking about "the times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24). In the Olivet Discourse Jesus was...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil, Premil, poster list

    Good grief. I'm sorry, but this is clearly a case of you just believing what you want to believe. It also references "the camp of the saints", so the reference to the "beloved city" is clearly a reference to the city that saints are citizens in. According to scripture, the city the saints are...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil, Premil, poster list

    You don't have to interpret Daniel 9:26-27 the way you do in order to not be an Amil and not a preterist. It's a false equivalence to say that those who interpret Daniel 9:26-27 as being fulfilled in the past are automatically preterists. An alternative to your view that allows someone to still...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil, Premil, poster list

    If you think God still considered Jerusalem to be "the holy city" or "the beloved city" (Rev 20:9) in 70 AD, then why did He destroy it? Surely, God would not have destroyed a city that He considered to be holy. That is not reasonable. He would not have done that. No, earthly Jerusalem was the...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Where does it say that? Paul indicates that the dead are not resurrected until the last trumpet, not when we die. So, to me, when Paul says our body "is sown a natural body" and "raised a spiritual body" he's talking about when those whose natural bodies have died being resurrected from the...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What other false doctrine do you believe is contained within the NASB besides the teaching of the deity of Christ? Don't you think you should try to learn Greek so that you can be sure of what the scriptures teach about Jesus and other things? I truly have no idea why you would trust the NASB...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. You can't seriously be equating that question to the question of whether Jesus is both God and man at the same time and whether Jesus created all things. Unbelievable. Your made up question is an invalid question since I never beat my wife. Conversely, my questions are quite valid. Either...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    So, why do you use it? I would never use a translation that I believed taught false doctrine. LOL. Of course it's not what he meant. Uh huh. Okay. And, no, it's only obvious to people like you who don't want to believe that Jesus created all things no matter how many scriptures say so.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Nonsense. What is dangerous about these questions: Do you believe that Jesus is both God and man at the same time? Yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus, as God, created all things? Yes or no? Nothing dangerous about these questions at all. No reason at all for anyone to be afraid to answer...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You use human, natural reasoning to try to understand what is spiritual and supernatural. That's just not a good idea. Can we understand and explain exactly how God created the heavens and the earth? No, we can't, right? But, we believe it, anyway, because scripture teaches it. On this forum...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, that's okay with me. I will leave those kinds of comments out. I just don't know where you are getting the idea of spiritual, mortal bodies. Please show me where scripture teaches that.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't know what you're saying. Can you explain? Paul said that when we're changed our bodies will be both incorruptible and immortal. Why are you trying to act as if he said something about people's bodies being made incorruptible at one point and then immortal at some other point? That's not...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't see that at all. And neither did Paul, as evidenced by the fact that he only referenced one rapture (1 Thess 4:14-17, 2 Thess 2:1-3). Romans 11 gets misinterpreted by many who do not take the time to look at it closely. Dispensationalists like you act as if all of Israel was blinded in...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There is no such thing as spiritual, mortal bodies. Please stop trying to change scripture to fit your doctrine.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself. You said you use the NASB translation. (NASB) Colossians 15:He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16 for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That passage is talking only about believers. Are you saying you believe the supposed earthly kingdom that you think Jesus will reign over after His return will be populated by spiritual, immortal bodies? If so, how could the following happen after the thousands years ends: Revelation 20:7 And...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Please read what I say carefully. Never did I say that the sudden destruction would come upon believers. Just before the passage you quoted, Paul indicated that believers will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. So, that is what happens to believers on that day. And we will all have...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is your problem. You expect God, whose ways and thoughts are as far above our ways and thoughts as heaven is from the earth (Isaiah 55:9) to make complete sense to your limited human mind. We're talking about God here. Why do you want to limit what is possible for God?