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Agree! We might be finally getting somewhere with you! So, if someone avoids the second death by being a Christian then why wouldn't you consider that having part in the first resurrection, which results in avoiding the second death, has to do with being a Christian? Scripture explicitly...

Which you are completely unable to prove. Your lack of ability to back up your claims convincingly is very evident, so there is no reason for anyone to take you seriously.

You utter falsehood with every comment you make. Blindness has been removed from many Israelites over the past almost 2,000 years. Including some of them in Paul's day, as he explained here: Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath...

Yes, it is. Your ignorance shines through yet again. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). Leviticus 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord. 35 On the first day shall be an holy...

You are almost leaving me speechless. I cannot believe some of the things you are saying in this thread. Are we not on the earth right now? Have you considered that the text is symbolic and not intending to mean that we (the church, the new heavenly Jerusalem) are somehow going to be literally...

No, he wrote to a Jew and Gentile audience in churches containing both Jew and Gentile believers in 7 churches in the ancient Roman province of Asia. You are just going completely out of your way to try to get Revelation to fit your doctrine and it's sad to see. Not this again. Good grief...

He, of course, won't answer any of these questions. But honest people will acknowledge that the answer is "nowhere" to all of those questions. How can they expect us to take their understanding of Daniel 9 seriously when so many of the things they associate with it are not even mentioned...

You are absolutely right and I see no effort from Doug to even try to understand your point. Is he afraid that if he makes an effort to understand your point then he might have no choice but to agree with it? Is that why he just ignores it? I think so.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Does this not indicate that having part in the first resurrection means the second...

Who said anything about two new Jerusalems? Why do you think so carnally and not spiritually? We're talking about a spiritual entity here. The church. The body of Christ. Do you not include the dead in Christ, whose souls are in heaven now, as part of the church?

I don't understand what you're saying here. Can you explain? Galatians 2:6 As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. 7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with...

You contradicted yourself here and you didn't even realize it. If the dead know nothing, then how could Jesus have went and preached to the spirits in prison? If what you said was true then they would have no consciousness. How could Jesus preach to people with no consciousness? Soul sleep is...

You acknowledge that we are part of the new Jerusalem now, right? But, for some inexplicable reason, you seemed incredulous at the idea of the new Jerusalem being on earth and heaven at the same time. Why? Are the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven not also part of the new Jerusalem now? Of...

I don't recall that, but maybe we did. I've had so many discussion with many people on these forums that I can't possibly remember all of them. Anyway, are we talking about a verse in the Old Testament or New Testament here? New Testament, right? Do you think all of Israel would be called the...

I don't even believe that. Doug likes to play games with people to see how they will react.

Excellent analogy. I hope he understands it and how it relates to the church today. Right now his view of Revelation 20:7-9 contradicts much scripture and he's not seeing that so far.

That was not a surrounding of saints. The saints fled Jerusalem as Jesus instructed them to do. That was a surrounding of the camp of the antichrists who were killed by God's wrath that the Roman armies carried out. Your thinking on this is all out of whack. Completely. You have been deceived by...

Clearly, nowhere did He teach a rapture/resurrection "before the great tribulation begins". That blatantly contradicts what He taught here: Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall...

Right. Good point. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. This verse suggests that having part in the first resurrection...

That is very clear from what you said in your original post, but, not surprisingly, Douggg didn't catch that. If he actually read it at all. Absolutely. Any insults that have come from us have been very tame in comparison. I would never call a fellow Christian "Satan" or an "evil spirit" or say...