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What in the world is going on here?! Of course I'm not kidding you. Earlier, you said "Yea, I agree with this, currently new covenant believers are the bride of Christ and we dwell in new Jerusalem, at least spiritually speaking.". But, now you have a problem with me saying that new Jerusalem is...

Yet, that is not how they are described. Why are you blatantly changing scripture to fit your doctrine? Ezekiel 45:15 Also one sheep is to be taken from every flock of two hundred from the well-watered pastures of Israel. These will be used for the grain offerings, burnt offerings and...

This is utter nonsense at best and slander at worst. How is it anti-Semitic for people like us to believe that Jew and Gentile believers have been joined together as one in the body of Christ with no difference between us and can have fellowship together as the children of God and of Abraham...

I agree. I believe this is very clear and undeniable.

Amen. And for those reading that, it is from 2nd Thessalonians 1. Paul very clearly placed the timing of the rapture at the same time of the Lord's wrath on all of His enemies when He returns. Just like Jesus did in Matthew 24:29-51 (Mark 13:24-37, Luke 17:26-37).

Yes, it WAS beloved LONG ago, but it was no longer beloved when the book of Revelation was written. So, Revelation 20:9 can only be referring to the new heavenly Jerusalem.

No, of course not. New Jerusalem is BOTH in heaven and on earth. The souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven now and we obviously are here on earth now. Those of us in the church on earth are the "camp of the saints" that experiences opposition everywhere we are in the world because the world...

I'm here to teach the lurkers the truth of scripture. There are most likely more of them than we might think. I was on a forum some time back which would show how many people were looking at the forum without being logged in and it was quite a few.

We all believe that some scripture is symbolic and some is literal, so what are you even trying to say here?

LOL! Great one, Jeff. They were all able to explain the timing of events without once using a chart. Imagine that.

No matter how many times we ask them to do this, they won't do it. They know they can't. So, they hide that fact by distracting us with insults.

Where do you explain exactly how you interpret the scripture you reference and why you interpret it the way you do? Have you ever once actually exegeted any scripture? Not that I've seen. You certainly didn't do that in the post I was responding to. You are not obligated to talk to me or read...

Why doesn't it prove that? What other "beloved city" is there at this point than the new Jerusalem?

The new heavenly Jerusalem is not just in heaven. It is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:9). It's a symbolic representation of the church. Do you have something against symbolism? I can't understand your trouble with this. Have you never read this: Hebrews 12:18 You have not come...

I asked a question. Calm down. I made no accusations. You just happened to chime in in the middle of people basically trying to tell me that Paul's teachings were not reliable when it comes to Bible prophecy. Take it easy. We're actually in agreement on this, so just settle down and relax. Can...

You have no idea of what I can be convinced about. Do you think I have always been an Amil? No, I have not. Just recently, WPM convinced me that Revelation 10:1-4 is referring to Jesus. I thought before it was referencing some angel like maybe Michael or Gabriel, but he pointed out how the Greek...

You don't know me at all, so stop pretending that you are God. You came across as defending someone who was undermining Paul, so I asked a question to see if that was really the case or not. I gave you the benefit of the doubt instead of accusing you. You say I'm quick to get offended? You took...

The great city is figuratively and spiritually called "Sodom and Egypt" in Revelation 11:8 and called "Mystery Babylon" elsewhere. It is a figurative, spiritual city that has things in common with ancient Sodom, Egypt and Babylon. And based on certain descriptions of it, it has things in common...

You're missing the symbolism in Revelation 20. It's not meant to be taken literally the way you are doing.

Yes. Where chaos and confusion reign supreme!