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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Stop your dishonest treatment of scripture and stop trying to distract attention away from what is being discussed.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    How long after? Are we talking a few days, several weeks, a year? Give me some idea. Can you acknowledge that you referring to a sudden and unexpected appearing of a supposed Antichrist in a temple is not a description of unexpected and "sudden destruction"?
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Exactly. This is a clear case of extreme doctrinal bias when anyone tries to say that Noah entered the ark 7 days before the flood came and that those supposed 7 days represent 7 years of tribulation before Christ comes (What?! LOL!). By looking at the text in Genesis 7 objectively you can see...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I know they do not believe in soul sleep, but they never seem to want to acknowledge that the book of Revelation refers to the souls of the dead in Christ when referring to believers in heaven. Nowhere does it indicate that they have immortal bodies yet when they are referenced as being in...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Apostate Israel is Babylon- common sense.

    I fully agree. Futurists repeatedly relate OT prophecies related to the first coming of Christ to His second coming instead and it's sad to see. They don't allow the NT to shine light on the OT prophecies for them, so they are completely ignorant of what the NT teaches. This is why I sometimes...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Says the false teacher Doug. Such a thing is not taught in scripture anywhere. Not even close. Paul indicated what will happen on the day of the Lord in 1 Thess 4:13-5:11 and he described things that will happen some time during an actual 24 hour day. What will happen on the day of the Lord...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are embarrassing yourself, Doug. You are literally the only one who thinks someone can't defend their doctrine without charts. LOL. Unbelievable. Such utter nonsense.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Doug, why does everything always have to be spelled out to you? Obviously, once someone sees how your charts don't reflect truth, then they become disinterested in them and don't bother even looking at them anymore. That was the case for me as well as many others, I'm sure.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    But, you don't address what Jesus said will happen on the actual day He returns, as He does in Luke 21:34-36. You brought up that passage and won't acknowledge that it relates directly to "that day" when Jesus returns, destroys all of His enemies on earth and heaven and earth pass away. That...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    So, this means you believe "that day" Luke refers to in Luke 21:34-36, which is the day when Jesus returns, sends down His wrath on the entire earth and heaven and earth pass away will last for 1,335 days?
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Again, you are taking 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 completely out of context. The context indicates that the destruction itself will be sudden and unexpected, but your view does not reflect that. Paul said nothing about the revealing of the man of sin being sudden and unexpected, he said...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are the last person who should criticize others for supposedly avoiding things. There is a lot that you are avoiding in this thread. I replied for the second time to a couple of your posts to ask you to respond to what I said in response to those. Which time frame do you think Luke...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Don't expect to ever get a response to this from pretribs or premils. Any time we show how scripture all perfectly harmonizes together like this, we just hear crickets in response. Pretribs apparently prefer incoherent babbling over the coherent exegesis of scripture.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I responded to this post in post #569 and you didn't respond. I believe you need to explain yourself here as to why you refer to this in relation to the sudden and unexpected day of the Lord that is coming when Paul very clearly referred to "sudden destruction" coming unexpectedly on the day of...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I answered this question in post #567 and you didn't respond to what I said there. You only responded to it by inexplicably asking if I and WPM are preterists. Can you tell me what you think about what I said in that post? I assume you didn't just ask this question for no reason, so I'd like to...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    When talking about what will happen on the day Christ returns, as we have been doing, what point is there to referencing those time frames? You won't acknowledge that passages like Luke 21:34-36, 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 only refer to "that day" Jesus will return unexpectedly like a...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Let me clarify what I meant. Most do not see Matthew 24:4-14 as being fulfilled by 70 AD and then Matthew 24:15-30 as referring to the future as you do. So, because of that, you rarely see anyone reference Matthew 24:15-30 specifically as one narrative the way you do.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    This will be a sign for you:

    And, yet, you are unable to give a coherent explanation for what Romans 9:6-8 teaches. Says it all about you. You make scripture say what you want it to say. Everyone here can see that. You won't even attempt to exegete the scripture and it's no surprise that you wouldn't want to do that out of...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    This will be a sign for you:

    LOL. What are you saying, that the Bible doesn't have to be interpreted? If you think only the nation of Israel is referenced in Romans 9:6 then it makes complete nonsense out of the verse. Do you not care about that? Are you comfortable with believing nonsense as long as it lines up with what...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Goodness sakes, Doug. How long have you talked to him about these things? Many years, right? You know that he has said MANY times that he believes Matthew 24:15-21 is related to 70 AD and Matthew 24:29-31 is related to the future second coming of Christ. So, didn't it occur to you that he might...