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We would? So, why was the New Testament written then? For no real reason? Looks like you're saying that all we need is the OT scripture.

I completely disagree. Yes, they are included among those who don't know God or obey the gospel, but Paul was including all who don't know God or obey the gospel. I see no basis whatsoever for concluding otherwise. Especially when other scripture also teaches that Christ will destroy and punish...

Yes, but did you miss the point? I'm saying that the NT sheds light on the OT. For example, would we know from reading the OT alone that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Jesus Christ and those who belong to Him? No, right? We learn that from what Paul taught in passages...

I have no interest in arguing about whether he was ever in Christ since that's beside the point. The point we're debating is whether being "in Christ" is the same as being "in Jesus" or not. And it clearly is since Jesus is the Christ. Everyone knows that except for you. Tell me where...

Please address what I said in my post. I quoted a passage that indicates all unbelievers will be judged when Christ returns, not "in due time" as you are claiming. The "first judgment of God"? Where does scripture teach that there will be multiple judgment days? Acts 17:30 In the past God...

Exactly. How do Premils reconcile their beliefs with the fact that both the resurrection of believers and the judgment of unbelievers will occur on the last day? Not 1,000+ years apart as they claim. Both will occur on the same day, which is the last day. Just as Jesus clearly taught. He also...

So, you don't believe what John taught? Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to...

2 Thess 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not...

The kingdom being inherited when Jesus comes with His angels is eternal, as can be seen in Matthew 25:31-46 which indicates that those who inherit "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt 25:34) inherit "eternal life" (Matt 25:46) at that time. So, your understanding...

Don't you believe Jesus will be their King ruling over them? How could they not be in His kingdom in that case?

LOL. Being in Christ and being in Jesus are the same thing and everyone here but you knows that. I'm not wasting any more time with this extreme nonsense.

There is something very seriously wrong with you. John very specifically called Jesus "the ruler of the kings of the earth". Present tense. Do you think John didn't know what he was talking about? Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead...

No, I haven't. And he was no longer in Christ at that point. A person is considered to be "in Christ" only if they are saved. It's ludicrous to think that anyone who isn't saved can be "in Christ". Why are you trying to turn something simple into something convoluted? He was in Christ as well...

While my particular Amillennial view (that Christ's resurrection itself is the first resurrection) is not being described here, I don't think that it's a stretch to consider going from being spiritually DEAD in sins to spiritually ALIVE in Christ to be a spiritual resurrection. Isn't that what a...

I don't define ruling the way you do, so your straw man arguments don't apply to me. Where is any of this taught in scripture? You're making things up. All you have is your own words, but you don't have any of the word of God to back your words up.

His post consisted mostly of scripture passages. You expected him to type them all out? Why don't you tell us how those passages should be interpreted if you think he is interpreting them wrongly? You could start with the first one: 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in...

Do you not believe that Christ will destroy His enemies when He returns? Is this passage in your Bible: 2 Thess 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from...

Your understanding of what it means to reign is flawed. That's all there is to it. I backed up my belief with scripture. You....just spout a bunch of opinions without any scripture, which isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

Of course. Any other questions with obvious answers that you'd like to ask? Of course you are completely wrong and ignoring what is indicated in the text. Here are the 3 parallel accounts of Jesus prophesying that the temple buildings would be destroyed. Matthew 24:1 Jesus left the temple and...

Why does that matter? It seems like you may have missed my point. It would not have made sense for Luke to say "let the reader understand" what Daniel's prophecy regarding the abomination of desolation was about to his Gentile audience since they would not have been familiar with that. So, he...