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But the Crusades! Why aren’t you persuaded by the crusaders? Did they love their enemies?

I would have killed Christians and non-Christians if I had obeyed the order. Followers of Jesus ordered to kill followers of Jesus by the government should “obey God rather than men.”

They were evil @Lambano. They were going to enrich themselves and their friends, then point the finger at me when the sickness and deaths began to surface a few years later. My supervisor’s, supervisor’s, supervisor asked me how many years it would take for that to happen. When I told him, he...

Yes, but the argument is ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” The apostles weren’t “armed, ready to kill” and neither were the earliest Christians - which makes them, by Wrangler’s requirement for being a follower of Jesus - not followers of Jesus.

Would you say then that the apostles and the earliest Christians up until 313 - though armed, ready to kill - outsourced their violence?

That’s right.

Yes. ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” Why didn’t use his weapons and do it himself?

The government is obligated to protect the innocent lives of its citizens. Would you kill followers of Jesus if the government ordered you to?

Paul didn’t outsource his and the disciples’ violence.

If it eases your conscience any @Lambano, the government officials who demanded it were all Christians.

No. Followers of Jesus are to love their enemies, not kill them. How do you preach the gospel to a Muslim?

God has not called followers of Jesus to kill one another. We can be certain of that.

Yes. I was a government employee and I was ordered (on a couple of occasions) to do things which would, if had done it, have killed and injured innocent citizens. In my shoes, what would you have done?

No follower of Jesus in one nation is called to kill followers of Jesus in another nation in war. ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” That’s the voice of the devil, not the voice of Jesus.

The elected officials and persons in their employment. Heads of the government and government employees.

There is a critical 3 century gap in his historical record, readers. The apostles and the Christians who lived in that time period remained faithful to the Messiah’s teaching on how to treat their enemies. There have also been Christians throughout the 17 centuries since who have remained...

That‘s not who Jesus, the apostles and the primitive Christians are. That’s a great question. No, it isn’t who the lord Jesus Messiah wants his followers to be. He didn’t teach his followers to kill one another for Caesar. It‘s the governments role to protect its citizens. It wasn’t a hard...

I’m currently reading The Myth of A Christian Nation, written by Gregory A. Boyd.