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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So, why did you act as if you didn't know what I meant when I was talking about corroborating your interpretation of Revelation 20 with other scripture then? You know that goes both ways, though, right? Amils interpret passages like John 5:28-29, Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and 2 Peter...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Notice something here. It says that at that point "the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah". In this verse "our Lord" is referring to the Father. You think this is talking about Christ taking over the kingdom on earth, but this is talking about the time...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Right. John 5:24-25 describes how someone has part in the first resurrection. Having part in the first resurrection results in the second death not having power over you (Rev 20:6). We do not have to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us. The second death...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You can see that it says Satan is loosed when the thousand years comes to an end, right? It says so in Revelation 20:3 and Revelation 20:7. What does that mean to you? How can the last day occur on the last day of the thousand years when it clearly indicates that Satan's little season follows...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It depends. Would he be talking about it in terms of occurring before or after the second coming of Christ? Because our interpretations of any given passage should line up with the rest of scripture and not contradict any other scripture. Surely, you understand that? Or don't you? Accept what...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    All Amils believe that. That is not the source of the disagreement between your particular Amil view and the Amil view of people like myself, WPM and jeffweeder.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It also uses that word to describe Christ's resurrection. His resurrection was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Corinthians 15:20, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5) and we all have had part in it spiritually. What you're saying here does not take into account Satan's little season that follows the...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Clearly Amill, of course. We have several passages which talk about Him destroying all of His enemies when He returns. And what about His people? We will be changed to have immortal bodies. So, where do these mortals come from that would populate this supposed earthly millennial kingdom...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Is that a problem for you? Is it not important to you that your interpretation of Revelation 20 not contradict any other scripture? Yes, of course that is what I'm saying. Surely, I'm not asking you to corroborate Revelation 20 with...Revelation 20.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What in the world are you talking about? You clearly do not understand what corroboration means. I'm simply saying that you don't have any other scripture which supports your interpretation of Revelation 20. I'm not saying that you need to find another scripture which specifically refers to "a...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Where? I said nothing about your overall vocabulary. I was talking about just one word. You were not giving the impression at all that you understand what corroboration means. It does not have to mean "a parallel passage in a different book". I'm saying there is no scripture at all that...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You're not addressing my argument at all. Can you please answer the following question. How can the first resurrection occur after the thousand years when the text indicates that those who have part in the first resurrection reign with Christ during the thousand years? In other words, how does...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What does that mean? Where is a temporary kingdom established after the return of Christ prophesied? What are you talking about? So, you clearly don't know what corroboration means. Where is the scripture which supports your interpretation of Revelation 20? I don't believe it exists. Would I...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    They absolutely are valid arguments against premil. All of them. Now, do all premils believe everything the same? No. So, maybe a few of his arguments don't apply to what you personally believe. So be it. Don't be so offended. He was making arguments against premil in general. You can't expect...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Where does scripture teach that a remnant will "choose to believe at the 2nd Coming of Christ"?
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    LOL. The number of times the thousand years is referenced is not corroboration of your interpretation. Do you not know what corroboration means? He was talking about other scripture besides Revelation 20 that corroborates (supports) your interpretation of Revelation 20. We amils don't believe...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What does that mean for them to be set on a shelf as a society? Where does scripture teach that? To say the Bible does not express a distinction between nations is false. When did I say that? But, what exactly is this distinction between nations that you're talking about? I just don't know what...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Were you serious with this question? That is clearly not what he was saying. He's just trying to get you to recognize that numbers are often used figuratively in the Bible. Not every time, of course. Not even most of the time. But, sometimes they are. Some people act like numbers are rarely, if...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I do. And I disagree with it. Don't act as if I'd agree with you if only I understood your position (not saying you are, but I hope you're not thinking that way). Such as? How do you determine which promises are for whom? Paul did not at all indicate that some promises were for Israel and some...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I didn't say you didn't respond to me. I was saying you don't remember what I've told you multiple times before. You response here shows that you don't read what I say carefully enough because I said nothing about you not responding to me. Instead, I'm talking about you not remembering what I've...