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I believe the earth's surface will be completely burned up, as Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:10-12, and it will be renewed by God, resulting in "the new earth". The NT shines light on the OT. I wonder why it is that the NT says nothing about this "Jewish Restoration" that you believe in? I feel...

In your view how do so many mortals survive the return of Christ keeping in mind that He will be destroying all those "who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ" on that day (2 Thess 1:7-10)? I believe you are post-trib, right? So, that would mean you agree that believers...

Right. When we show how our Amil beliefs are actually based on literal, straightforward scripture such as 2 Peter 3:10-13, they go silent. They often accuse us of spiritualizing everything, but that is far from the truth.

I've seen it many times. Once they realize they have no way of countering our arguments, they resort to personal insults and eventually put us on ignore.

I disagree. Why should I trust what Philip Schaff says? I trust the opinion of an actual early church father about how things were back then over this Philip Schaff person. This is what early church father and premillennialist Justin Martyr said: "I admitted to you formerly, that I and many...

Of course a dragon is a physical thing. Are you not even able to understand even the simplest of things? These are visions of symbols that John saw. Yes, he saw a dragon with seven heads and ten horns. He also saw things like a beast with seven heads and ten horns. And he saw seven candlesticks...

It doesn't just jump around by introducing a topic in one verse and then immediately change to a different topic, though. That was the point I was making before. But, now it looks like you're saying Isaiah 65:17-19 is about the new heavens and new earth and then the topic changes to a supposed...

It's impossible to take you seriously with your nonsense. And your insults do nothing but remind everyone yet again that you are completely incapable of making a coherent argument using scripture. I've refuted it many times. No, the 7th trumpet will show that all of Christ's enemies will have...

I'm not saying that "every other single chapter in Revelation does that". I was just using that as an example. It isn't the only place where it's not chronological from one chapter to the next, though. No, I'm not. As usual, all you have to offer are false accusations. Because that proves that...

There is no indication whatsoever that the subject changes away from the new heavens and new earth in verse 20.

The discussion has been that Premils like yourself see Isaiah 65:17 as being about the new heavens and new earth, but verses 18-25 are about a supposed future earthly millennial kingdom. Is that not your belief? If it is then, yes, you believe the subject is changed one verse apart. But, it...

That's a flat out lie. You lose all credibility with comments like this.

You're not even able to provide the evidence yourself. Can you think for yourself? Why should anyone believe you?

None of this is surprising since they basically adopted the views of Jews who were expecting an earthly kingdom for the Messiah to rule over after disposing of the Romans instead of the spiritual kingdom that is "not of this world" (John 18:36) and that "does not come with observation" that...

So, I'm sure if I said tha-7t Revelation 21:2 is not about the new heavens and new earth you would think that would be plausible, right? It's one verse apart that we were discussing. He brings up the new heavens and new earth in Isaiah 65:17 and you think he changed the subject in verse 18. But...

His own private interpretation shared by millions of others. LOL.

Amen, Jeff! The time "now is" when we reign with Christ and the second death has no power over us. The time "now is" when we are "priests of God and of Christ" as the following passages show: Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead...

In fairness, the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Don't you think it's a good idea to try to research what the Hebrew words mean whenever possible in order to aid our understanding?

Do you call your constant dismissals, insults and false accusations "normal conversation"? LOL. We're trying to and you just immediately dismiss everything we say along with making false accusations about what we believe. And you don't? LOL. Could the Holy Spirit be seen dwelling inside of...

And, once again, you are misrepresenting my view. No, I don't want a new earth with sin and death. All you have are false accusations. That's it. You're obviously very immature and are in over your head here.