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1) the last trump is blown every year at the feast of trumpets. 2) thinking there can only be a limited dynamic to "trumps, trumpets and last trump" is a poor foundation when Jesus himself taught a pretrib rapture. 3) when Jesus appeared to John on patmos, his voice was like a trumpet when he...

Not only that, a local flood would not need all the animals evacuated. Plus what about the edge of the water. The ark could have fallen off the edge and crashed onto the land.

Post for us a verse You think commentary proves something? All you guys get those one liners and put downs from the same workbook No verses. Not even one as you demonstrated.

BTW, take a look at WHAT the 144,000 are. They are firstfruits. Who is the firstfruits of the church? Spoiler alert. It is Jesus, not 144,000 Jews. The 144,000 are firstfruit ethnic Jews . Firstfruits of the JEWISH GATHERING IN rev 14 ;vs 14 and 15. So that is a separate gathering, that ...

Rev 13 says the AC overcomes the saints. It says power is given to him. To refuse the mark is to die. This ties in to the innunumerable number that are in heaven. It even says they came out of the tribulation period. So we see billions of martyrs with dirty robes in heaven during the...

No we don't. You don't know our doctrine. Paul is 100% right. 1) the Apostasy is in place as we see now. 2) The AC revealed ( NOT IN POWER....REVEALED)....THEN THE NEXT DAY IS THE RAPTURE. YES Paul has laid out the sequence of the pretrib rapture. BTW, THERE ARE NO POSTRIB RAPTURE VERSES.

I never said they didn't. I have never believed they won't make it through They are ethnic Jews with protection not offered the church. They are in heaven at the end of the trb( mid 7 yr trib) and prewrath. Were they martyred or raptured? That really hurts the postrib doctrine.

Why do you need it to be a local flood? There are those that also say the red sea was not deep at the crossing of the Hebrews from Africa. But God drowned the entire army in 6 inches of water. Nope It was A global flood.

Are you trying to make a case that the Church is not the bride of Christ?

We disagree on rapture timing, but i like your posts. Good character and thoughtful.

You just proved you are clueless that rev 13 has no saint surviving the trib, but irregardless of the wording of rev 13, deception is your go to.

Meaning the Jewish harvest of rev 14. So obvious it is like a billboard in your front yard. There is a crossroads to your doctrine. Your doctrine has no clue of Paul's prophecy concerning the covenant Jews. ....which is why your doctrine makes the 144,000 something besides the vivid...

That verse is one of 2 escape verses by Jesus. Do you know the other one ?

Yes. They died and are in heaven DURING the trib. Billions martyred, but postribbers omit that, and rev 13' s (four or six proclamations), that no saint " makes it through:" the trib. Bonus info; The innumerable number left behind after the pretrib rapture,had dirty robes that needed washing...

I think in rev 12 or so. It tells you how they overcame. " By the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives, unto death". In other words they got martyred When Gods word lists 4 or 6 verses saying no saint survives the trib, and you disagree, what is...

Those decieved do not know they are decieved. That is the sadness of deception.

And look what you just did. I showed you in a ton of examples where "like manner" is OPPOSITE your made up model. I thoroughly smashed you beliefs. What is your answer? Last trump Last trump Last trump SMH

How silly to think "like manner " means exact location. Nope nope nope.

All believers that are awake will know immediately that the ac is an imposter. Notice I said "awake" But no, we saw with Obama that thousands of believers were deceived by that guy. Sad that the end times believers will be just as gullible with the arrival of the AC.

Rev 13 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation...