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Overgeneralizing to hide the debacle of "like manner" "It is a race car because it has 4 tires" " see see that is how we can tell there is no difference" " nowhere does it say a racecar goes around the track more than once" "So it must go around the track ONLY ONCE" Wow. Hopeless. False...

We must not be decieved by those that say "where is the promise of his coming "? Those preaching against the pretrib rapture model that Jesus laid out are shoving the bible off the table, and wanting us to listen to thier commentary. Deceivers indeed. The Bible ends with heaven and the bride...

The innumerable number are in heaven during the trib. Innumerable. Billions? ALL MARTYRED DURING THE TRIB. Rev 20 says they were beheaded for not worshipping the beast. Not getting the mark. You are definately wrong. Refuse the mark and you die.

Also, saying the coming with Jesus sitting on a cloud, holding a sickle, is the exact same thing, as a warrior Jesus on a horse, accompanied by millions on horseback blackening the sky, is the same event, would be a logical fallacy In fact an impossibility. I just blew a hole in your...

The elephant in the room is that Jesus debunked your entire deal in mat 24. The setting at the rapture is different than the second coming. You are needing one verse to void another verse. In your poorlybthougt out doctrine you guys attempted to put a bandaid on your model by inventing "ONE...

Again, it says the AC overcomes thecsaints. It says power is given to him to overcome the saints. It says all take the mark. ALL TAKE THE MARK that are not in the book. If you refuse the mark, you die. Show me that in your model. It does not fit. IOW, you omitted all that. If you factor in...

The Bible debunks one coming. Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the...

Again? You need it again? Rev 19 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh Jesus killing all those evil people.

Yep. No horses No sword No conquering king No mass tribulation with an AC demanding a mark in their heads. No warrior saints. Exactly opposite the postribbers model.

Again ? You need it again?

Yes he said both. One verse does not omit the other.

I am saying Jesus kills them. At the second coming.

Here is an adventure that is neither of your 2 ecamples. Rev14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice...

The Bible says power is given the AC to kill believers. The Bible says all take the mark, that are not in the book. Your doctrine falls apart. No believers " make it through the trib" Look at where Jesus places the rapture Mat 24 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the...

What a nasty position. Calling us cowards that agree with Jesus. Please post your one postrib verse. Teach me your superior position. Do you have one verse? BTW, The ac will be revealed in the near future. He will be revealed and then thevrapture could happen immediately. You guys will watch...

Still against your model. Mat 24 says normal life at His coming. Ahem ...before the flood. Your model has the opposite setting. Complete opposite.

Luke 22 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the...

Your position is all killing of evil people is evil and they go to hell. Now you are saying that is not true?

Mat 24 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Your rapture model does not have normal life at the...

That is all conjecture. Your mind is opposite scripture.