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I agree with your view CC and as yet NO-ONE has been able to list Scripture that teaches otherwise

I asked :- To lose 'salvation' today one would need to lose the Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 seal of the HS. How does a believer today do that ? You replied :- By returning to a sinful life...per scriptures. I replied :- Using per-scripture >>FROM PAUL<<, list the verses that support your claim. ...

Thx Mark but you'll have better luck trying to convince others that the Rev 'mark' is not literal.

Hey CT, found it & had a quick skim through I accept and believe that 'prophesy' resumes after the current 'mystery' age ends c/- the rapture and that the 'restrainer' currently is the HS Yourself & others may have a different view.

'mark' > Greek > charagma .. Rev 13:16 Rev 13:17 Rev 14:9 Rev 14:11 Rev 16:2 Rev 19:20 Rev 20:4

Is the Rev 13:16-17 MOTB visible to everyone ? If you don't know then just say so

Is the Rev 13:16-17 MOTB visible to everyone ?

Somewhere before 2 Thess 2:3 unless we all missed the worldwide declaration of ""and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;""

So is the Rev 13:16-17 MOTB visible for everyone to see ? Complement yourself on answering a simple yes/no question :)

Context is what matters Worship the beast AND take the mark = LOF << both required Worship the beast OR take the mark = LOF << only one required Worship the beast AND OR take the mark = LOF << easily understood

Eze 9:4 mark on foreheads <<<<< Visible Rev 13:16 mark on foreheads <<< Visible Rev 20:4 mark on foreheads <<<<Visible ... Is the mark on their foreheads VISIBLE for others to see with their eyes ?

Myself, I agree that take the MOTB = LOF but I do wonder why many Bibles in both Rev 14:9 & Rev 14:11 use the word AND & not OR.

2 Thess 1:10 refers to when Christ comes NO reference to clouds 1 Thess 4:17 states caught up 1 Cor 15:52 states in the twinkling of an eye .... I vehemently disagree with you

Is the MOTB a >>visual<< mark that anyone can see ? 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of...

Then politely & simply list them so that I can try to understand your point of view

:::So then, in your opinion, Paul is talking about a different return of Jesus than what Peter is saying.""" .. Paul - 1 Thess 4:16-7 "caught up" into the clouds instantly in the twinkle of an eye - 1 Cor 15:52 .. Peter etc - Matt 24:31 a gathering process that does not state the process happens...

Yes, agreed and that's where the 'bookS' at the Great White Throne come into play Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in...

If not a VISIBLE mark on hand or forehead how will anyone know you have the 'mark' ? List the verses please.

"""without trying to help humanity learn from this dreadful thing by fully explaining how it happened."" Is that 'act' something that Paul teaches is required to be 1 Cor 15:1-4 saved & Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed ?

MarkOfTheBeast - MOTB Rev 13:16-17 Rev 14 :9-11 Without taking the 'mark' << MOTB how will a person buy & sell ? How will anyone know who has the 'mark' if a 'mark' is not seen on the persons hand or forehead ?