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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Which comes first, the dead in Christ rising or the tares being gathered?
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Let’s not forget something else, in Matthew 13:40 the reapers gather the tares first and bind them in bundles to be burned. The earth is reaped twice in Revelation 14 and we have the first resurrection in Revelation 20 which suggests a second resurrection also happens. Since 1 Thessalonians...
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    I’m not arguing against Jesus literally and physically descending with His feet literally and physically touching down on the mount of Olives. That interpretation works when comparing Acts 1:11 and Zechariah 14:4. So let’s entertain that interpretation for a moment. Maybe someone has a camera...
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    We keep track of various satellites and objects in orbit, who knows, we might be able to pick up and track Jesus coming to earth from millions of miles in outer space. If Jesus were to just suddenly start descending from out of a cloud over the mount of Olives, I would think the Israeli...
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Acts 1:11 says He will return in like manner as He was seen going to heaven. He ascended from the mount of Olives which every eye of the 12 tribes in Jerusalem could’ve seen, just like lightning that might take place over the mount of Olives can be seen in Jerusalem. Did people in Africa or...
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Lightning is literally a local event and not a global event, under perfect conditions theoretically a person could observe lightning from a maximum distance of approximately 273 miles (440 kilometers) away. Here’s the formula … D = (2RH + H2 – 2Rh – h2)1/2 D is the maximum distance that...
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    When Christ came the first time He performed legitimate signs and wonders using His power yet His coming (as Messiah) at that time was hidden to some of the very people who looked for the Messiah. Many Jews thought He was going to have a physical kingdom and physically reign at that time. That...
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    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    Sure, but doesn’t John 4:23 declare that at that time the acceptable way to worship changed to worshiping in spirit and truth only and no other form of worship was acceptable after that time?
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    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    I know what the Bible says in John 4:23 about worshipping. Do you think the modern Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah? Do you know the minds of the modern Jews? It appears as if you’re making the case for a modern spiritual Jew who worships God, meaning a Jew who is one inwardly not outwardly.
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    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    Well, I would say the Jews are attempting to worship God in a manner that God doesn’t recognize as true worship. So they are really worshiping their unbelief of Jesus as the Messiah.
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    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Would you say modern Jews are true worshipers?
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    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming <3952 parousia> is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders If parousia is never an invisible event, is the parousia of the lawless one a physical event that can be seen literally?
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    Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

    Nobody is arguing against the temple being Jesus’ body in John 2:18-22. You can point that out a hundred times, everyone agrees. The problem occurs when you put that symbolism into another verse. In Matthew 13:38 the parable of the weeds is explained and the field is the world. In Matthew...
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    Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

    Matthew 11:2-6 shows what Jesus said about determining if something is fulfilled or not. You are comparing scripture with scripture when using John 2:18-22, which guides us on how to interpret but that’s not how we determine if something is fulfilled or not. Matthew 11:2-6 is the example of how...
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    Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

    I don’t think it’s a predetermined bias. I would say they are using the prescribed method of determining how something is fulfilled, which is found in Matthew 11:2-6. John’s disciples were told by Jesus to show John the things they saw and heard. That’s the method they were to use to know...
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    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    Every believer, both Jew and Gentile alike, get all the promises made to Abraham and Israel? That’s great, I would agree with that. Yes, I agree with you on this also, there is a correlation between the dimensions of New Jerusalem and the Holy of Holies. It’s a perfect cube. I had one person...
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    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    Would an unsaved person be better off to become a Jew in order to receive all the promises made to the 12 tribes? Or would becoming a Christian be better for an unsaved person? I mean I would think it really looks more attractive to an unsaved person to become a Jew and get all the promises and...
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    Wont take Rev 14:9 MOTB under any circumstance, really ?

    Scenario: a government official claims he is the Antichrist and wants to implement a mark he calls the mark of the beast. He sets up medical clinics where Christians can voluntarily go, publish their statements of faith on a government website, receive anesthetic, and have their heads removed...
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    Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

    To me it seems that @TribulationSigns thinks if you spiritualize it’s the best way to interpret and if it causes contradiction with other scripture you just keep changing spiritual meanings until it works. But, whatever verses lead him to that conclusion most likely weren’t spiritualized in the...
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    Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

    Using your hermeneutics a person can claim 2 Peter 3:9-10 all took place in 70AD by claiming it all took place in the minds of the unbelieving Jews. This is what happens when you over spiritualize, you can make the scriptures fit whatever narrative you have.