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Yes, but can something being burned up and dissolved mean something more... figurative... in the sense of absolute cleansing and refining/renewing... than merely taking that at, well, wooden face value? I say yes. They surely do. <smile> Yes, He will be coming in judgement. Grace and peace...

Christ Himself, in His return, is the consuming fire. Now, in His return, He's not going to look like this... <smile> But He will be coming in judgment, which the fire is symbolic of. The earth will not literally be burned up but refined by this fire, made new (not newly made) <smile>...

In your opinion, sure. And, my opinion is that you are wrong in your understanding of that passage. Fair enough. Grace and peace to you. Right; I'm not mocking anybody. Again, I'm only rejecting your perception and understanding of the Scripture passage(s) we were discussing, not you...

Right. We have His Word, which is all we need. Sure. All His promises have their yes and amen in Christ. Depending on how you mean that, I agree. But in the sense in which you seem to be saying that, not so much. If we are truly regenerate of heart and therefore in Christ, then none of us...

They just understand significant parts of God's Word wrongly. I'll just say this, that knowledge ~ not just knowledge and wisdom are both gifts of the Holy Spirit, which all believers have, but not in the same proportion. Paul is very clear on this in Romans 12... and 1 Corinthians 12 (vv...

Psalm 139, IR, is a psalm of David. David is talking... singing, actually... about himself in Psalm 139. Grace and peace to you.

Most of them are well-meaning Christians. They're not cult members. They're just wrong. But that doesn't make them less Christian than you or me or any other Christian. The great thing about the internet is, you can find anything on it. But the terrible thing about the internet is, you can...

No, but if I had, that would have been enough to expose it for what it was. Okay, well even so, that's not what I said. No, neither in the sense that it was "moved," nor in the sense in which you think of David's throne. <chuckles> Like I have said, Davy, your understanding of "sitting on...

Well yeah.... LOL! I agree... <chuckles> But He existed with the Father and the Spirit from all eternity. I mean I think you agree with that... Well, Luke 2 is a good place to find that out... <smile> Like all of us humans, God "knitted Him together in His mother's womb" (poetically...

Dispensationalists are not cultists, and dispensationalism is not a cult. It's an honest take on Scripture, it's just terribly wrong. They just understand much of Scripture very wrongly. 'Wrong' and 'dishonest' are two very different things. Grace and peace to you, Scott.

Wellllll.... <smile> I mean, oh yeah, they have "answers," buuuuuut... <smile> Grace and peace to you.

I don't think they are being dishonest. I've said this many times, but to be lying, one has to know the actual truth and then knowingly make that truth into an untruth. If they think they are telling the truth about something, then they are not actually lying but just... wrong. <smile> I...

Hey, IndianaRob, you should understand 'prepared' in that verse in the same way as, oh, "dressed or," or "made ready for," or even "sent for the purpose of," rather than anything along the lines of "created." The writer of Hebrews, in 10:5-7, is quoting and referring directly to Psalm 40:6-8...

I did, actually. I know what you said. Nobody here is saying it's just a figure of speech. Nobody. You don't think you are. Yeah, I get it. I'm not saying you're lying about any thing or any one, Davy. But... in your own words... you say there are some here "who think David's throne which...

Sure. Right. Grace and peace!

Nobody here thinks that. That's just you characterizing it ~ mischaracterizing it ~ as such. Grace and peace to you. Right. <smile> That's very true, but that's neither here nor there. <smile> Even though they point them out <smile> No, they obviously are, but they're actually correct...

I think what @Scott Downey is saying, Davy, is that "David's throne" doesn't really have anything to do with David's actual chair, but rather the God ordained position over Israel, which David possessed in the lesser sense (see above) and Jesus possesses ~ now ~ in the Greater (also above, and...

Destroyed in what sense, Scott? Certainly not in the sense of annihilation. As God says, "Behold, I am making all things new" (Revelation 21:5). He is not making new things. And in a sense, at least, he's correct. It will be renewed. The earth will be "recreated" only in the sense that all...

I'm going to, um, cut and paste my previous post (#1430)...<smile>... David's throne ~ where Christ now sits ~ was never a literal chair... <chuckle>... but a position of power and preeminence as king over Israel. Note: Now, did David have a literal throne? Well yes, probably so, but the Bible...

David's throne ~ where Christ now sits ~ was never a literal chair... <chuckle>... but a position of power and preeminence over Israel. Note: Now, did David have a literal throne? Well yes, probably so, but the Bible never refers to the actual chair he sat in... <chuckles> David was placed...