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  1. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Well, fully, yes. But it started to be fulfilled long ago. Yes... but to what you say here, who is the true Jewish population? It's not regarding ethnicity, as we can see clearly throughout Paul's writings, particularly Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9-11, Ephesians 1:11-22, and... oh, Galatians...
  2. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Hmmm... If one understands correctly who God's Israel really has always been and is and will be, then all these things can be properly understood. God has been bringing His Israel ~ which Paul defines in Romans 2:28-29, saying, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision...
  3. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    "Preterists have it wrong"... Well, not completely, but yes, generally, I agree with you regarding preterism. And I think WPM does, too, which was what I responded to originally addressed you here in this thread. I mean, this particular thing is not worth arguing about, really, but no, they...
  4. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    Nope. Not to "dispute," per se, but words are important, no? Of course not. You're reading that into it. Not that you mean to be, but in a venue like this, the communication roles are completely reversed at times ~ the receiver has to apply his or her own non-verbal communication to what has...
  5. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    Not always. In different contexts, yes, one or the other. But the second death is not physical; they are not... well, not annihilated. Many are... will be, of course... resurrected to judgment. Whether you agree or disagree with this, I'm not sure. "here are some more for your enjoyment to...
  6. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    LOL! Well, I like for things to be clear and unambiguous and correct, yes... <smile> Right, but you seem to be getting the order wrong, and ~ just in this assertion at face value ~ seem to be misunderstanding what this "everlasting destrction," and their "perishing in fire" really are. You...
  7. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    Uh oh. <smile> The destruction of the wicked happens because of the judgment... being on the wrong side of it (on Jesus's left; Matthew 25:41-46). Well, as a result of the judgment, they enter into the second death. They are sent away by Christ, and they depart. Neither their body nor their...
  8. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    Okay, fair enough; I say the same of you. Actually I agree with this promise, of course, but again, the issue is the understanding of what it actually means "sit upon" this "throne" to all generations. And now the same applies to "last days," which is spoken of by the writer of Hebrews in...
  9. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    @Scott Downey Hmmm... to all that <smile>... I would say: "We do not not see it yet, but it is true" Some of us do... <smile> And actually we all do, but many don't recognize it. But yes, it's true... "You kind of cut me off there." I mean not really, just (as in this post) quoting the...
  10. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    But it's not about Him actually sitting on a literal chair of any kind. <smile> Or literal body positioning... <smile> Nor was it concerning David, even though, yes, David probably had an actual throne room and throne at some point. Right. But that's true now, just not yet in person...
  11. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Don't think he (WPM) does, Ronald. <smile> Nobody "symbolizes" anything, Ronald. But some do understand the extensive symbolism of the images given in Scripture, and that doesn't just apply to John's Revelation, but also to many other parts of Scripture, Old and New Testament alike. Ah, but...
  12. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Yeah, and at this point, I don't care. Really though, I'm pretty sure you do, you're just being dismissive. And I don't care about that, either. Grace and peace to you, jaybird.
  13. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Because you seem to be confusing the two... using verbs like nouns and vice versa. It is what it is. I "ignored" nothing. But now if you want to talk about ignorance... and I don't mean that in a disparaging way, but that's what I pointed out. LOL! Goodness gracious. "Making sense" to...
  14. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Yes, the Greek word hairetikos is a noun, jaybird, as is heretic in English. The Greek word was used to describe someone who holds beliefs that deviate from established doctrines, particularly in a religious context (although it could be used in other contexts also). At any rate, this fits...
  15. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    There's no chair in heaven. <smile> Like I have said, you misunderstand what "the throne of David" in Scripture is. You did, yes. <smile> And I told you what He was saying about the throne of David. Not at all. I did so, but you don't accept what I said, which... fair enough. Well...
  16. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    The issue is not "physical characteristics" or lack thereof, it's really about ethnicity. And nothing God has ever done as really had anything to do, ultimately speaking, with ethnicity. Yes, everything was shown and taught and illustrated through lesser Israel, which consisted of mostly...
  17. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    The real disagreement, Randy, is who God's Israel really is. And the answer is given to us by Paul ~ who was very, very Jewish ~ in Romans 2:28-29... "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a...
  18. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Excuse me... What? <smile> A heretic, Jaybird, is a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted ~ in this particular case regarding eschatological matters. And we could say the same about the different systematic views of Scripture, namely dispensationalism versus...
  19. PinSeeker

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

    You're wrong about what David's throne ~ as it's spoken of in God's Word; yes, even by Jesus ~ is. But that's okay. <smile> Really, man, it's okay. Grace and peace to you, Davy.
  20. PinSeeker

    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    The world. Jesus speaks of the ruler of this world being cast out in John 12. Satan is bound in the sense that he absolutely cannot prevent the spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles, all nations and people-groups beyond Israel. Every Gentile believer today (as well as for the last 2,000-plus...