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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    What contradictions in my position? You are becoming more and more a Preterit with every post you defend Preterit doctrine!
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK!
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, I push what I have been taught, but YOU no doubt have arrived at your understanding through intense personal study of the Bible yourself! NO one but you apparently have the Holy Spirit to guide you, so we must depend on others to study for us. You see how you take delight in belittling...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You too display yourself more like an internet troll than you do a Christian.
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    The holes are in the doctrine of Preterism! Because the only way your Preterit doctrine is biblical is to read it INTO the WORD OF GOD, because it certainly cannot be proven FROM THE WORD OF GOD! You display yourself more an internet troll than you do a Christian.
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    As usual, you are wrong again! Just because the last days culminate with the last day of the Lord, that does not mean the last days are not the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell would come. That which shall come unexpectedly is the last day of the Lord on the last day of these last...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The Prophet Joel foretells of the whole day of the LORD the entire New Covenant time/age/era when all that is written concerning Him would be fulfilled.
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You're reading the day of the LORD the prophets foretell as though it is ONE DAY! You're missing the fact of how the day of the LORD is NOT only limited to a single day when Christ comes again. But the day of the LORD foretold of Old consists of the age that began with His first coming and...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    These last days we have been in since the coming of the Lord are the day of the LORD the prophets of Old foretell was to come. In days of Old He spoke to us through the prophets, but now "THIS DAY" in His day, the day He was begotten of the Father through the Spirit "when He bringeth in the...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I agree, and so does Peter as he uses Joel's prophesy as proof the day of the LORD the Old Covenant prophets foretell came at Pentecost with evidence of the Holy Spirit being poured out just as the prophet foretells He would be. Acts 2:14-21 (KJV) But Peter, standing up with the eleven...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    The times of the Gentiles began when the 1st century disciples were given a mandate to "go and preach the gospel unto all nations." Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, but other Gentiles, until the fullness of them shall be saved, are also among the remnant of Jews of faith elect...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Great tribulation Christ tells His disciples would be for them, began when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. It will continue throughout every age until the seventh/last trumpet sounds and intensify during Satan's little season. When the last/seventh trumpet sounds time given the...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    If the elect is not the focus of great tribulation, why would great tribulation need to be shortened for their sakes? If great tribulation is allowed to continue without intervention from God, there would be no elect left, they would all be killed and none left to proclaim the Gospel of the...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Where in the Bible is the wrath of God called "great tribulation"? These verses again prove what I've been saying. The wrath of God, [not great tribulation the disciples shall endure in this world], but indignation and wrath of God on every soul who does evil, repaying tribulation, anguish and...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    What do you mean I don't allow? The verse plainly says "great tribulation" without any mention of the wrath of God. Luke 21:21-23 (KJV) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Marty, I didn't make a big deal out of the fact that you misunderstood what I said. Let me try again by rephrasing, 'Your doctrine (Preteristic) believes 70 AD had to be great tribulation that Christ directs to His disciples. The reason you continue to argue 70 AD was great tribulation for the...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I know that's what Preterit doctrine would have us believe! But where from the Bible can you prove great tribulation(S)? We do find tribulation(s)! In the following verses, each verse is speaking of tribulation(s) that come upon the faithful saints (disciples) of Christ. These verses also...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I haven't decided great tribulation can't refer to God's wrath! Anyone able to read the texts can see Christ speaks not of the wrath of God, but of great tribulation. What will be used to bring them great tribulation that God shall permit? Great tribulation came upon them, but there was...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Marty, when did I say that you said "the great tribulation that Jesus assigned to the church was the wrath of God"??? What you're repeating is your belief that 70 AD was great tribulation toward the apostate nation; Israel, instead of the wrath of God. You continue to repeat the wrath of God...