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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    What is your point in continuing to repeat this! Is it not because you are trying very hard to prove your unbiblical doctrine? It is your doctrine that says 70 AD had to be great tribulation that Christ assigns specifically to His disciples, because if it is not great tribulation upon the...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    It's not the wrath of God upon them, but as Christ says it is "great tribulation"! Because great tribulation comes to the church through evil power, humans who are the spirit of Satan, acting like and through the power of their father the Devil. When God pours out his wrath, He will not...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I don't believe that Marty! I believe 70 AD is tribulation in your eyes, but for those who were there understood it to be the WRATH of God that He had many, many, many times warned them would be their fate because of spiritual apostacy and idolatry. Matthew 3:7 (KJV) But when he saw many of...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, the unrepentant who are in the church, they are among those who Christ says, "I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first." These are those who profess and appear to be true believers, but then Christ says...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I know that, but I prefer to engage directly with posters who aren't always ready to be hostile and disrespectful. This is a little selfish on my part, because with me hostility invites hostility, and I don't wish to become one who replies in a manner that does not bring glory to God.
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I don't disagree Marty, we too have gone through things in life that can only be described as tribulation, even great tribulation. But it would be dishonest of me to speak of the judgment of God against an apostate nation as great tribulation Christ says His disciples must endure as we seek to...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why would I or anyone for that matter listen to your vivid imagination since you cannot or will not answer my question? You, like some others in these forums more resemble internet trolls, then Christian you profess to be. Defining an Internet Troll in Christian Forums In the context of...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why does Christ tell His disciples that they must endure "great tribulation" as they proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ to all the nations of the world, if believers are caught up to meet the Lord in the air (raptured) to keep them from going through great tribulation?
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Can you prove from the Bible that great tribulation Christ tells His disciples both they and we must endure is DUAL Prophecy? I don't see it as DUAL Prophecy, but as continual prophecy or prophecy that began to come to His first disciples that is also true for Christians in every single age as...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I stated it for you because you have misunderstood how Rev 2:22 is speaking of great tribulation coming against the church just as Christ said His disciples would be called to endure.
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I haven't given any opinion for what I believe Daniel's AOD means. I'm still waiting for you to prove from the Bible what AOD means??? You, OTOH once again show that GUESSING is how you arrive at your opinions!
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    How does that make any sense? Because Christ, speaking to His first disciples tells THEM that THEY shall experience "great tribulation" when THEY "shall see the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place". I believe 'see' here means understanding with the mind and not...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Where can we read the AOD Daniel writes of "will be placed by evil human hands in the sanctuary"? Great tribulation is not a single event; it comes to faithful saints in different ways at different times throughout the ages beginning when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. When...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Repeating the prophetic words of Daniel without understanding the meaning of AOD is a waste of time. It is written "(whoso readeth, let him understand"). You read but still appear to be without understanding for what Daniel's AOD is!
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    That's because I know what the Bible says Daniel's AOD represents. You, OTOH appear to be clueless about what Daniel meant.
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Let me clear up something here Truth7t7. Yes, I do believe great tribulation Christ said His church must endure as they/we proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ unto all the nations of the world began when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. But that does not mean...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Which is why I fight against this man-made doctrine called Preterism.
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    What is Daniel's overspreading of abominations that makes desolate from the beginning of the Kingdom of God that came to earth with Christ until the end of time when Christ shall come again?
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    There is little to discuss with you because you have no understanding of abomination that makes desolate. If you understood AOD then you would be able to know how great tribulation Christ tells His disciples (throughout all ages) that as they/we proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Marty, Rev 2:22 is written to the church, warning them of great tribulation that would come upon them because they allowed Jezebel to "teach and seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." Jezebel and those within the church who commit adultery with her...