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Indeed. The problem is that believers who have come to Christ and accept the truth of scripture, imagine themselves as being in Christ, when the fruit of the union is not in their lives. We never receive a 'bit of' Christ. We are in the Spirit or not in the Spirit. It needs the appropriation of...

Taking the weekend off. See you Monday!

So we gradually cleanse ourselves?

Yes but this bit is important: Therefore, put to death what is earthly in you And that is where most are wrong: they think that it is a gradual death. We are to put off and put on, like a coat, which is done in one action not slowly over many years. It's just that the putting on seems like...

Yes His followers have His Spirit but not dwelling deep within. Otherwise they would have it all at their fingertips. The fruit is there bam! when one arises with Christ. Amen! That is the right attitude! As I have said there is nothing to be achieved for waiting for the fullness. Obeying...

Indeed it is the day of judgement: For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Isa. 2:1 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Isa...

I concede that saying 'second blessing' is not useful in these conversations. It has too many connotations to the things that were wrong with the Holiness Movement. Instead, I will rather use the idea that, it is when a man comes to believe in the fullness of what Christ achieved for him on the...

@Johann I would like to apologize for that post if I was misunderstanding your motive. And also my embarrassment regarding the lack of a properly researched piece on which ECF taught what on Theosis. I have failed to get this together due to personal circumstances but I am working on it! I am...

Thank you Johann, I think you have taken up enough time on my thread. I am sure we have already been through that.

Reader, just to make it clear what the basic disagreement is about. I am speaking from the doctrine of entire sanctification that was widespread during the holiness movement, although there was much error and hypocrisy going on at the time, which you would expect if you agreed that Satan hates...

I don't want to bother. Others have done it repeatedly. You bring holiness doctrine into discredit by your additional doctrines.

Please do put me on ignore. You have already rebutted my points countless times, by twisting scripture so why continue? Thanks.

@Episkopos I have 'liked' that post as it is truth, but as Lizbeth says, you have poisoned the well with untruths.

Thank you for butting out Johann. Most people do that much earlier when two members are deep in a discussion, but especially I would have thought when they are discussing personal issues. It is considered to be good etiquette. You have countlessly posted your views on the subject, with...

I believe it is when we respond to the pricks of the Holy Spirit whereby He is able to baptize us and we are given the pure heart and able at last to obey Him as we ought. I understand the fear thing. It has dogged me all of my life despite my efforts to trust in God, but my flesh is unable...

This thought has opened up a new track for me to follow, in that nutrition is vitally important for recovery from cPTSD and is missing in the writings about it. In fact I don't think I would have survived if the Lord had not shown me a long time ago how important my diet is and I willing...

I have problems sleeping too. I find that potassium and magnesium are important. Yes we are like that when we are not recovered. Flesh having being crucified helps a lot :) That is wonderful Mark, I am so pleased for you. The prefect match! I made two bad decisions and married two abusers...

I am reposting this from earlier, to explain that Paul was not speaking of perfection in the sense it is mistakenly claimed by in those who oppose the walk of holiness: Phil. 3:12. Not as though I had already attained For I have not yet received the prize; for I have not finished my course...

Justification - made right, accounted righteous, pardoned and accepted. Justification wasn't an issue being debated in Patristic times (Schreiner), they were far too busy fighting Arians and suchlike. However, we can find the description in the Old Testament: 'Behold, the days are coming, says...

"In alcoholic or other dysfunctional families, there seems to be a strong tendency for a child to develop a calcium "shell" as a natural self-protective mechanism which helps to constantly deaden feelings of vulnerability and anxiety. In chronically unpredictable and threatening situations...