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Then why did John say there is another baptism through Jesus that would come and be mightier than his? If the water has already cleansed them of their sins what is the point of John speaking of being baptized with the Holy Spirit and power?

It sounds like you understand? How can water through John's baptism that did not give them the Holy Spirit be unto eternal life or as John writes the way we are born again?

No JBO! As I've said in the other post on this same topic, John's baptism was for them to repent of their sins that they might be saved. John preached a baptism of repentance, not that water would forgive them of their sins. It would remind them that none can be eternally saved until...

Again, if John's baptism cleansed them of sins, why would he speak of another baptism that comes by Jesus that is mightier than his? Matthew 3:11 (KJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he...

And all who are in unbelief that are his offspring.

Regeneration is indeed being born again! To be born again (regenerated) is to hear the Gospel and believe through the power of the Spirit. If regeneration (being born again) comes through water like that which John the Baptist used, why do we need baptism of the Holy Spirit? Because without the...

I know what you believe JBO! But I truly do not believe the abundance of Scripture agrees with what you believe. The only baptism that can wash away our sins is through the Holy Spirit that comes to those ordained to eternal life when they hear the Gospel in His power. Water, being that which...

I see a distinction made between the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and other sheep (Gentiles) that also belong to Christ that would come after them. All those sheep who belong to Christ are lost without Him. When the Gospel of Christ came to earth it was first sent to His ethnic...

Exactly! In Jo 3 Christ says that mankind cannot know or enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born again. Then He explains how man is born again, and it is not through natural physical birth, but by water and Spirit. If it's not by being physically born again, then water as you agree has...

Marty what I said is that their testimony was not for the witness of Jesus. How could they be witnesses of Jesus before Jesus was born and they called Him Jesus? He had to become a man, and that man was called Jesus, whom all the New Covenant saints are witnesses of Him (Jesus). The name of...

Which is exactly why only spiritual new birth gives salvation unto eternal life and not water that comes with natural birth.

Sorry Marty but arguing over the timing for the writing of the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ I have discovered is an exercise in futility. Been there with Preterits and don't intend to go there again. It's questionable to me that Preterits must rely on the date of writing The...

Marty 30 to 40 years is not a "little season" when seeing how it is defined. Little implies being the least or smallest, and season too is a space of time, that would equate to time of the year akin to a time for planting or harvesting, but I don't believe it can be anything like 30, 40 or even...

I believe that Christ means He had not yet ascended physically. It seems Mary might have been content to stay with Her risen Lord, but He had a job for her. Perhaps Christ was remembering how Mary sat at His feet being content to allow her sister Martha to be the servant. Though Christ...

I like this! I would add not only must we KNOW the Word, it is also imperative that the WORD (Christ) also knows us.

That's how I believe the passage should be discerned. Those graves that were opened after Christ's resurrection are those who ascend as spiritual body of believers with Christ to heaven are these same Old Covenant faithful Jews who, being under the blood of Christ (under the altar, according to...

Perhaps not in this thread but in another thread "Seeing salvation again" you said: "The idea that born of water is a reference to physical birth is simply ludicrous." Isn't being born of physical water pointing to physical and not spiritual re-birth?

You seem to be arguing against what you earlier said: "The idea that born of water is a reference to physical birth is simply ludicrous." Why not address how being baptized in water is only capable of cleansing a man outwardly but has not ability to make one clean within?

Marty, wouldn't they have been killed for being witnesses for Jesus if they were killed in the first century AD? John makes no mention of them being witnesses for Jesus. I think 30 or so years gives us the same problem as those who believe this is prophecy that shall come at the end of this...

The way I would answer the question: This must be a future event to fit a particular doctrine brought to the passage. How long is a little season? That seems to me to be the crux of the passage. Then we need to discern who are "their fellow servants and also their brethren"? It's also...