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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

    LOL. Taken literally, a thousand years is, you know. 1,000 years. It doesn't mention anything about it being a thousand years from God's perspective or anything like that. You discern that. You spiritually discern that it's not talking about a literal one thousand years. So, what in the world...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

    But, that isn't a literal interpretation. It's not referring to a literal thousand years. You have to spiritually discern that. How are you able to discern that in Revelation 20:1-6, but not be able to discern that other text in Revelation also is not literal but must be spiritually discerned...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    That's not the only way. The Greek phrase "tereo ek" is translated as "kept out" or "kept from" in Revelation 3:10. The same phrase is used in the following verse... John 17:15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. In this...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

    Is it rude to respond like that in response to utterly ridiculous comments? I don't think so. You just need to stop saying ridiculous things that have nothing to do with the context of the passage we're talking about. This illustrates the problem with pre-tribs. They take all of Revelation...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

    That is exactly what you are doing. What the text itself indicates is that people literally saw Jesus ascend up towards heaven. That's the manner/way in which He ascended there. Visibly. Bodily. There's no reason to read any more into it than that, but you have to do that in order to keep your...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    No, that is not the case. What are you basing that on? Have you ever read Luke 17:26-37? Do you believe that when Jesus talked about one being taken and one left that it relates to when the rapture occurs? If so, read this... Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    Do you not know? Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    Yes, it is. The wording is very similar. What do you think John 17:15 is about? Clearly, Jesus is talking there about being kept from (tereo ek) evil in the sense of being protected from it while still on the earth. How is that any different from the context of Revelation 3:10 that talks about...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    There is no pre-trib rapture. What will happen at that time when the rapture occurs at Christ's coming "after the tribulation of those days" is that Jesus will destroy all unbelievers just as happened with the flood in Noah's day (Matthew 24:29-39). Paul taught the same thing (1 Thess 4:14-5:3...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

    That's what someone could say about you in the way you interpret Revelation 20 and how you believe that the thousand years are not literal. Would you consider that claim to be valid if someone said that about you? I'm sure you wouldn't. So, I don't see your claim here as being valid, either. The...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

    You are not understanding the context of Acts 1:9-11. It does NOT say that Jesus will come back with the same atmospheric conditions as when He left. That is ridiculous. It says He will come in like manner as He left. You are reading far more into it than what is intended in the verse. All that...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    Yes, Revelation 14:14-20 mirrors 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:4 which indicates that at the same time the rapture of believers in the church occurs, unbelievers will be destroyed. That will occur when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night. LOL. You are 100% clueless. It's not anything to...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    Absolutely false. A vast majority of post-tribbers do not believe that. Educate yourself instead of lumping all post-tribs together just based on the opinions of a couple ignorant fools.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    A vast majority of post-tribbers, including me, agree with that. But, you are too ignorant to understand this, so you assume all post-tribs claim that having the correct eschatology is a requirement for salvation. Not true.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    It's not talking about taken them off of the earth to avoid the hour of tempation. That would contradict what Jesus prayed about here.... John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. Revelation 3:10 is talking about...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    To meet Christ in the air. Hello? Where else? 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

    And how do you know that and how do you determine that the rest of Revelation 11 is all literal? There's no consistency in the way you interpret the book of Revelation.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

    Why aren't you interpreting the candlesticks by the following scripture contained in the same book then? Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Why would you ask such a ridiculous question? Everyone here desires that event to occur regardless of our understanding of the timing of it in relation to a time of tribulation and so on. How about actually addressing the points made in the original post instead of asking ludicrous questions?
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    The text of 1 Thessalonians 5:3 itself obliterates this assumption. It says at the point when pre-tribs think that a supposed 7-year tribulation begins, "sudden destruction" comes upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape". How can sudden destruction that destroys...