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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    To get answers. If you asked why I asked a certain question then I would tell you exactly why. Is telling me exactly why you are asking your questions too difficult for you to answer? Another dumb question with an obvious answer. I'm done playing your games.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You shouldn't need to ask that of someone who did nothing whatsoever to indicate that he's not saved. So, yes, it is insulting. This is a Christian forum and he has done nothing to indicate that he's not a Christian. So, there's no reason to ask him that question. LOL! What? A verified copy of...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You believe in a pre-trib rapture, so you do believe that Jesus will descend from heaven 2 times in the future. You apparently have a problem with me stating what you believe. LOL. Are you just playing games? As anyone else but you can understand, I'm saying that the idea of a pre-trib rapture...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    How? Why would you think that symbolic numbers in scripture can't be true? Do you just not believe in symbolism at all?
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    Why are you asking these questions? Obviously, the rapture applies to the church, as in, those who belong to Jesus Christ. All believers from all-time belong to Jesus Christ as there is no other name by which anyone can be saved (Acts 4:12).
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

    What kind of response is this? How about actually responding to what I said instead of asking silly questions? The Israellites of those days were mistaken about a lot of things, so it doesn't matter to me what they thought back then. Scripture teaches that the elect are those in the church...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I was going by what you said. You said all the numbers in scripture are literal, so that implies you believe that about verses like Psalm 50:10 and Deuteronony 7:9 as well. Why can't you understand simple things? You are way out or your league and out of your depth in this forum.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You believe that Jesus will descend from heaven 2 more times in the future, do you not? Once for a supposed pre-trib rapture and then again 7 or some other amount of years later, right?
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    He doesn't have to answer an insulting question like that. This is a Christian forum, so anyone who posts here believes they are saved. It goes without saying. Nothing matters to you because you're very childish. This is a forum for adults.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    The rapture describes the resurrected dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain until the coming of Christ being caught up together to meet Christ in the air after He descends from heaven, as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    Where is "the trinity" mentioned in scripture? Nowhere. But, you believe in the trinity, right? Where is "the rapture" mentioned in scripture? Nowhere. But, you believe there will be a rapture, right? This is not a valid argument you're trying to make at all. The church is most certainly...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

    No, the elect, according to scripture, are those who belong to Christ, which includes all Jew and Gentile believers. Who do you think are the elect in the following passage... Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

    Get serious. Jesus will not be literally riding a white horse when He returns any more than He will have a literal sword coming out of His mouth that He uses to literally slay people. Revelation 19 is a symbolic description of His one future return. His one future return is described literally...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    It consists of the saints/saved/believers who believe in Christ and follow and obey Him with Jesus Himself as the cornerstone of the church. As described in verses like these... Revelation 6:9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    The question was where does scripture show a tribulation period occurring after the rapture? Where does that verse say anything about a tribulation period after the rapture? Nowhere. You just make things up.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Oh, now you're moving the goalposts. So, you have Him coming from heaven 3 times. Scripture never teaches that. When He comes, His people will be gathered to Him and He will take vengeance on His enemies. That's what is clearly taught in passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:4 and 2 Thessalonians...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Oh, so you think God only owns the cattle on a thousand hills, but not all of the other hills? Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is Mine, And the cattle on a thousand hills. And you think that God only keeps His promises to His people for a thousand generations, but He wouldn't do so...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You questioning his salvation tells us all we need to know about you. You are not someone that anyone can possibly take seriously because of how extremely childish you are. Let us know if you ever grow up.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The marriage supper does not occur prior to the Revelation 19 return of Jesus. It says that the bride has made herself ready for the marriage at that point, not that it has taken place yet. Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Thanks. I've had some other priorities lately, but I'm going to try to post more often here. I see that the pretrib arguments are still as weak as ever without any scriptural support whatsoever.