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  1. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Not getting hauled off anytime soon BB. There is ONE GOD. Comprised of THREE PERSONS. You need to find out what a Person is. Here is a really simple explanation of the Trinity: The dogma of the Trinity The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion...
  2. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Saying that one follows Christ does not mean they're Christian. They might be a cultural Christian, as happens to be becoming popular right now. IF they are following a man...they're just in some kind of cult. To be defined as Christian, one must believe that Jesus is God. OK Now you're saying...
  3. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    As it is Trevor...it IS God who will be doing the judging... none will be done on this thread. It would have been nice if you had addressed your position on this matter instead of addressing whether or not Jesus is God. IOW, besides "following Jesus"....do you believe there are ANY...
  4. GodsGrace

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    When sources contradict I don't use them. If Hahn and Bergsma agree on something, you could bet it'll be correct.
  5. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Here is a good definition of the Trinity: The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from...
  6. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    I was agreeing with you as to what identifies one that is Jewish... Sabbath keeping, and some ceremonial laws (circumcision). What I meant is that Christians are no longer under the Civil or Ceremonial Laws but they are still required to follow the Moral Law. You should advise him that the CC...
  7. GodsGrace

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I never said you said there was no hell. What I said is that NO MATTER WHAT IT'S CALLED...it still exists. Which you agree with.
  8. GodsGrace

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I cannot find anything re John 19:25 from either Bergsma or Hahn. It seems this is not an important topic and is not commented upon. I have the new St. Ignatius study bible with commentary by Hahn. Nothing on John 19:25 ! However, I read different versions and the few that make it very clear...
  9. GodsGrace

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    But you're paying more attention to a WORD than to the concept it represents. Hell exists...no matter what it's called and no matter if some believe it or not. Some calling themselves Christian also do not believe in hell. It just is getting worse and worse. Must go.
  10. GodsGrace

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Explain what the english word BEGOTTEN means. But later... @Jack is making short, but absolutely correct statements.
  11. GodsGrace

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Must leave again... Later.
  12. GodsGrace

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    You're repeating GH. I posted many statements by the Early Church Fathers (those taught by the Apostles) stating that Jesus is God. THIS is what was taught in the early church. I don't have a filter...I just go by scripture and the writings of those the Apostles taught are also very...
  13. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    There can only be one God. Or God is not supreme or sovereign.
  14. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    I agree wholeheartedly. (the Moral Law is for everyone - not just the Jew) Except that I'd say that the disintergration did not start in the first century. The tenets were maintained in the first few centuries and even confirmed in the Councils. If we lose those...I fear we will lose the very...
  15. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Of course you don't care to have a Trinitarian explain what is obvious in scripture. You eisegete instead of exegeting. Rather convenient, isn't it? The reason I don't care to discuss the Divinity of Jesus is because it shouldn't be NECESSARY. You call yourself a Christian... why would we be...
  16. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    I think this would be a fair way of stating it although I never thought of it this way. Do you not like the term Christian tenets? I'm not certain it's the same and so hesitate to make a confirmation. US...yes,,,there should be definite belief systems for those that consider themselves to be...
  17. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Thanks RK... I agree with everything you've stated. I do also believe that when we have correct theology everything does make more sense and every single passage in the NT is easy to explain without having to twist and bend and go on a tyraid as to what it "really" means... IOW,,,all scripture...
  18. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Except that the Trinity is not man-made. And yes,,,GOD will be the judge of us all. And WHO will be doing the judging? THE SON/JESUS/THE CHRIST/THE SON OF MAN John 5:22 22For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 2 Timothy 4:1 1I charge you in the presence of God...