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You're being very silly Doug. The Nazarene church does not teach anything NEW. Take, for example, The JWs they teach new ideas. The LDS they teach new ideas. John Darby....he taught new ideas. The IDEA has to be new Doug. NOT the church.

YOU stated that there was no reference to the cross until after Jesus died,, thus creating a new dispensation. I think we need to stop discussing this.

Take it as you wish marks. YOU brought up Adam. I brought up the signs of the two Covenants. THEN you start with soteriology. Which means YOU KNOW NOTHING about Covenants. This is a fact. Not a disparagement. Dinner time here in Italy. Dispensationalism is a new teaching that is not found in...

MAYBE because I don't believe dispensatinalism is biblical? Perhaps YOU should be replying to my questions instead?

What? We cannot believe we receive the Holy Spirit at baptism?

IMMERSED in Jesus is a silly idea that a particular YouTuber "teaches". We are immersed in WATER...just like in the OT and in the NT. Baptizio means to be immersed in water.

So you know nothing about the Covenants... but you want to discuss them? Find out about the Covenants.... I taught at least 7 of them but there are more. Then we could discuss.

Is there only ONE dispensation? You mean every time a Covenant was broken,,,it was the beginning of a new dispensation?

Immersed into Jesus... You've been watching to much YouTube. Maybe you should stop watching needgod and just read your bible. People are immersed into WATER. In the OT In the NT Ezekiel 36:25 Water cleans 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you...

I'm not discussing soteriology here. I'm discussing how circumcision has been replaced.... but there is always SOMETHING that needs to be done to belong to a Covenant. It's not a new idea. Every Covenant had a sign. The sign of the New Covenant is EITHER baptism or the Eucharist. (depending on...

What it shows is that Jesus was the last sacrifice...no more will be necessary. BUT a sacrifice WAS necessary even for the New Covenant. The Jews that did not believe Jesus is the Christ abandoned God. God did not abandon them. Those that followed Jesus became known as Christians but they were...

So this is a dispensation? I say it's breaking a unilateral covenant. Try the Edenic Covenant. There are consequences to preferring satan over God. I asked you HOW God changed. What did He want differently in the OT than He does now? If you believe God has all knowledge... then He knew Adam...

God is not done with anybody. ALL are invited. I suppose you know that even foreigners were admitted into the Hebrew culture. They had to be circumcised and they they could participate in the Passover and other cultural and religios events. Circumcision was the sign of the Covenant...Mosaic...

Some would call this progressive revelation. Do you believe God didn't know that Adam would sin? HOW do you think God changed in taking care of humans?

Ditto for Ephesians 1:10 and Col 1:25 Apparently you and Doug are using the same version. Because a word appears in the NT does not mean that a new teaching is to be built around it. The translators have determined that the translations I posted above (a long list) are more representative of...

Sure. Happy to. Catholic Nazarene Assy of God At different times during a 50 year period. Each one had teachings upon which they heavily relied. The CC had teachings that cannot be found, easily, in scripture. But none of the 3 taught heresy.1547 This is 1 Corinthians 9:17 from biblehub...

I agree that that Testament and Covenant are not exactly the same. However, what you're saying now is that all the versions (which are 95%) are using the word COVENANT incorrectly. I also understand that the verses you've listed are speaking of Covenant as in an agreement between God and...

@Doug and I were discussing the theory of dispensationalism. (it's possible I'm referring to the wrong thread - won't go back to check) Anyway, yes, dispensationalism was invented in the 1800's and was never taught in the church before this. I'm very suspicious of all new teachings. JW...

Apparently, God is not as powerful as you would think He is. God desires all men to be saved. Why aren't they?? Is He unable to do what He desires? 1 Timothy 2:3-4 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the...

LOL No putting to the test! Someone came up with this idea just about 200 years ago and I guess it sounds good to some and maybe the inventor of this idea was very charismatic (just as Augustine was for other teachings). No amount of scripture will turn one from what they come to believe...