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  1. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    What are you talking about? There is proof everywhere.
  2. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    The end of the age is at the 6th seal, and then the wrath of God begins. Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then...
  3. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood, even as the Church will be in heaven during the 70th week of Daniel. Interesting. However, those not in the ark die and those that are stung will seek death and not find it. Therefore, I don't see the correlation. Revelation 9 6 And in those days...
  4. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    That would be an error. Simply mislabeled the scripture I was quoting. As to my confusion, I must confess, I am confused why you ignorantly call anyone that believes in the truth of the pretribulation rapture a liar. 1 Thes 4 has nothing to do with the gathering from heaven and earth and...
  5. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    I see no mention of the Church in those verses. So it's obvious that scripture does not CLEARLY teach any such thing. There will be people on the earth that will see these things begin to come to pass, but it is not the mostly Gentile Church. No mention of them after Revelation 5 BEFORE the...
  6. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    Those in the ark left the surface of the earth and were above the highest mountains. They did not experience the wrath of God. The gathering of the Church happens BEFORE the seals are opened. The gathering in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is after the tribulation and is from heaven and earth. The...
  7. The Light

    Christ's Coming to Gather His Church is AFTER the Tribulation

    When will you ever present the facts of the scripture instead of what you want it to say? Here is what the scripture says. Matthew 24 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of...
  8. The Light

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    This is almost funny. If you told me to prove that the seals were not open, I would tell you to check Matthew 24. How is it that you do not understand these things? The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. They are not open and will not be open until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    None of the seals are opened. The first seal is the rider on the white horse who has a bow and is given the stephanos crown. This is a false Chirst which Jesus warns about in Matthew 24.
  10. The Light

    10 Signs the Rapture could happen on the Feast of Trumpets!

    There will likely be a rapture on some future Feast of Trumpets, however, it will not be the Church being raptured. The Church will likely be raptured on the Feast of Pentecost
  11. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    How could the Jews possibly get it when it is prophesied that part of them will not get it until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in? Rom 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is...
  12. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I don't believe teamventure said the Word was lunacy. It is your totally off the wall interpretation of the Word that is lunacy. When someone is blind to the truth and just starts making things up and goes off on a clueless rant about the pretribulation rapture the odds of them having any...
  13. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Yeah a lot of stuff made up around here. It seems anything to discredit the truth of the Word. And the blind roll on.
  14. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Tell him that Marks. He doesn't think that the wrath of God begins until the 7th trumpet. I don't know what he thinks those 1st 6 trumpets are. The wrath of God is OVER at the 7th trumpet. The bowls are just a different view of the same timeframe.
  15. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Ok. The wheat harvest is the early summer harvest. The wheat harvest will likely occur on Pentecost. Bonus. The barley is the first harvest of the year. The barley harvest represents the dead in Christ. Ok. Now please explain how the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord...
  16. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Why don't you explain... when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, how it is possible that Jesus has not returned and Armageddon has not already happened.
  17. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Ok, yeah. So those 1st six angels blowing their trumpets, are just a walk in the park. Just kind of a nuisance. And when it says that when the seventh angel begins to sound, the mystery of God is FINISHED. That doesn't mean anything. Let's just pretend that isn't there. Then of course there is...
  18. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Now that made me laugh......So called Truth. I build everything around the word of God which you seem to like to ignore. I think the score is 86 to 1. And that was a fluke.
  19. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Exactly. Thy wrath is come. Rev 6 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 10 7 But in the days of the voice of...