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  1. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Right. I got it. You can make up anything you want and then claim it to be truth. Nice. Try accepting what is written.
  2. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Let me try this. 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. So the day of the Lord is...
  3. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    How is it every time we are warned about being ignorant to the Word it falls in your wheelhouse? Maybe you should read all of the chapter. 2 Peter 3 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Do you just...
  4. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Yeah, I see how discerning you are. Can you discern that the gathering is before the wrath of God? Because the Word says that the believer is not appointed to wrath, but you have the Church going through the wrath of God. Hold those horses Sitting Bull. Nowhere have I said that 1 Thes 5...
  5. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    2 Thes 2 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 1 Thes 5 But of the...
  6. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Always a blind eye to the truth of scripture. The Word says the gathering is before the Day of the Lord. (The End of the age)
  7. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Try common sense. You claim to know the timeframe of Jesus coming. Jesus tells you when He will come. But what Jesus tells you is He is coming at the 6th seal. Yes He comes at the end of the trumpets also. He also says He is coming when you think not. I gotta go with Jesus on this one.
  8. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Jesus comes at the 6th seal to gather the elect from heaven and earth BEFORE the day of the Lord. I don't have to draw my own conclusion. All I have to do is believe what is written.
  9. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Revelation 4 shows 24 elders in heaven with their reward crowns proving that Jesus has returned with His promised rewards. Revelation 5 shows the kings and priests in heaven which is what is promised the Church in Revelation 1. You can read past these FACTS all you want, which is why you are...
  10. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    There are plenty of people that believe Jesus returns for the Church at the sixth seal, known as the prewrath rapture. It of course is not the church being raptured at the 6th seal as they believe as the Church is already in heaven in Revelation 4 and 5. Rumor has it that the new kid on the...
  11. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    And yet you were afraid to quote chapter and verse? Sure, Jesus comes at the end of the trumpets, with the armies of heaven who are in heaven attending the marriage supper BECAUSE there were raptured to heaven already. Rev 19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in...
  12. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Well done. I agree completely. The correspondence is unmistakable. Jesus comes and sends His angels to gather the elect. Matthew 24 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other...
  13. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    You might want to go watch a video of a blood moon. It is a lunar eclipse where the moon goes dark before it turns to a blood moon. So the 6th seal event is the Matthew 24 event and the coming of Jesus.
  14. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    How to you come to this conclusion?
  15. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    So does Jesus return at the 6th seal or does Jesus return at the 7th trumpet? You say He only comes once (I think) You will neither know the day nor the hour. Matt 25 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. And if you don't know the day, that...
  16. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    It's everywhere, if you understand scripture.
  17. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    First, you should clarify whether you understand that the tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal or do you think that the tribulation is over at the 7th trumpet or 7th vial. True. And yet after Jesus pinpoints His coming we get this gem. Matt 24 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour...
  18. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Where have I said anything about Satan chasing down 144,000. The 144,000 are in heaven before the great tribulation. (your chances of understanding that are quite slim). It is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, that the dragon goes after when he can't get to the woman...
  19. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Whoa, whoa again Sitting Bull. There is no assumption or speculation. That's your assumption because you don't understand the Word. Those 24 elders have crowns. What does the Word say. Rev 22 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall...
  20. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Here's two. Twenty four elders around the throne with reward crowns. Jesus has returned and brought His reward with Him. And you say there is only one resurrection at the last day. Rev 4 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders...