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  1. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Again..you are speaking of a different level of walk than what I'm speaking of and what the bible attests to. Certainly very few will be able to walk IN Christ...to walk as He walked. Most people will follow Christ and avoid the deadly sins...as you attest to. But that doesn't change the truth...
  2. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    1 Corinthians 1:25 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. God has chosen the way of weakness to confound the futility of human strength and brain power.
  3. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    The weakness of God is greater than the strength of men. You need a lot of instruction if you are going to sort out who is God and who is the devil. Of course you are not going to believe that the devil took control of the world through sin...when Satan took control through subverting Adam...so...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Outer darkness is eternal...and people actually live there...for ever. (unlike hell where people perish) Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit...
  5. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    It isn't just Jesus Christ who takes on the sins of the world...so do His followers. They are hated for His name's sake. And in this is a great reward. Hated in this life...beloved in heaven. Jesus purchased the world back from the devil in order to give us choices. To turn from evil and do...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    That's not hell fire...there is more than one kind of punishment. Otherwise how could Sodom fare better than Capernaum and Bethsaida? Outer darkness is not hell fire.
  7. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Wishful thinking and truth don't mix. God will add to the troubles of they who add to His words.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    12 Then He began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard, put a fence around it, dug out a pit for a winepress, and built a watchtower. Then he leased it to tenant farmers and went away. 2 At harvest time he sent a slave to the farmers to collect some of the fruit of the...
  9. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    You have been programmed to believe a lie about God. God's wrath stems from His burning anger. (look up the word wrath) And the world will soon experience this. It is a fearful thing indeed. But Jesus didn't suffer God's wrath...but the anger and wrath of mankind...for being too perfect...too...
  10. Episkopos

    Are Your Beliefs Absolute Truths?

    No amount of beliefs are absolute truth. But we can abide in ultimate and absolute truth by abiding in Christ who IS the truth. Otherwise...we are stuck with human opinions and reasonings...and these are insufficient and quite possibly deceitful.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Jesus suffered because people dumped their sins on Him. Jesus didn't come looking to take sins upon Himself. Jesus was without sin. And that's the problem for mankind. People judged Jesus as if He was just a man...and a false prophet. So He bore with the condemnation of people. So you are...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Opinion? The bible is clear that the wages of sin is death...not eternal torment.
  13. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    That's not what atoning is for...and no one suffers in hell forever for a life lived in this flesh. God KILLS both the body and the soul in hell fire...reserved for the wicked. But many will be cast into outer darkness...some think that a fate worse than death. This is reserved for the...
  14. Episkopos

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Find it...you are interpreting me the way you are interpreting the bible...through an outside commentary. I always say the same things...and I don't use the word "saved" because of the indoctrinating effect that word has on people. So it must be someone else....or you have read other people's...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Do you think that the gospel is meant to prop up the carnal nature of men? All people have been atoned for. It's just that believers know about it...and are held to a higher standard for it. But believers cannot be sent into the fire to perish. Only the wicked are destroyed in that way. The...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    You're right. My bad on the baseball analogy! ;) But 100% wrong is still like not getting a hit. :)
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    There are 4 possible destinies for mankind according to Jesus....and the bible...from Genesis onward. The wicked will be cast into the fire and perish there.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    God doesn't love the world system...but His creation. God is a Father to the fatherless...regardless of religious affiliation. But it is here that your understanding breaks down. Just admit that the bible is a book of confusion to you! Or do you think that God loves the world's systems...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I don't like the idea of defending myself...but just to stand in the truth so as to speak from that place. The best defense of the truth will always be the practice of the truth.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I encourage you in your patient defense of the humble approach to the bible and it's teachings. Let all men be wrong but let God be honoured in the truth and never dishonoured by spreading lies about Him and His ways. :) Hosea 7:13 Woe unto them! for they have fled from me: destruction unto...