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Your conjecture just muddies the water here. You are being obscure and seem to be encouraging the flesh. Since you only use your own quotes and nothing biblical...the shades of meaning seem to be going the wrong way. What does that even mean...He gets the victory either way??? That is as false...

As long as people are seeking to save themselves...rather than to lose their lives as Jesus counsels us to do...people will miss out on the wonders of the kingdom. Instead these will remain in the wonders of this world or the wonders of the flesh. You can't have it both ways. Notice what Jesus...

And this is an outright lie of course. You are just exposing the selfish nature of your own beliefs here. Does the truth serve man as you want it to?...or are we to submit to the truth...as uncomfortable as that may sound? Read the bible for yourself. And try actually quoting what is written...

We can't go changing the truth because it may be taken wrong. Everything can be taken wrong. Every human reasoning seems to make the bible to be at a loss. So your reasoning is backwards. You aren't even using the bible. You are relying on your own human reasoning to defend the human reasoning...

Are we in bondage to God? Or the devil? The devil wants his due...and as long as we live for ourselves, we are his. God cannot depart from His holiness to accommodate sinners. So we need to be rescued. We are the ones who are bondage to our own instincts, sins and nature. What is to be satisfied...

Jesus took onto Himself the iniquity of us all. In other words Jesus exposed our iniquity by how we treated Him that knew no sin and loved us into existence. So the idea can be very easily reversed to sound like Jesus was used by God to bear our sins. No, He bore our sins because that is how...

In the NT the Greek word translated as "propitiation" is "hilasterion" which is used in the Septuagint OT to mean "mercy seat." The appeasement idea is a pagan one...of mollifying an angry god. Unless you see Christianity as a pagan religion. God has mercy on whom He wills. The sacrifices in...

A typical half truth. Look at what the bible actually says... 2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity. So we have here the dual polarity of the New...

Penal substitution is backwards. God wasn't so angry about sin that He killed His own Son in anger. God would never take out a person's sin on another person. For God so LOVED the word.... not...for God was so ANGRY at the world. So here we have just one more case of drawing wrong...

Amen. 1 John 1:7 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Your presumed intimate knowledge of Satan, and his deceptive practices, if in fact you think you know what you are even talking about, is not welcome on this thread. (There is a section on the forum for other religions if you are interested in sharing more of your experiences.) I hope you are...

You're lying.o_O

This thread should be renamed..."Why is humility so important?" :)

The irony here is that as this very inexperienced young brother seeks for approval for himself...he needs to tear down anything that doesn't bring that same religious experience he had ....to sacrifice the experience of others for the sake of approval for himself. He will crawl over others to...

That's your pride from the outer man speaking. A humble man would ask...as the disciples of Jesus did..."Is it I?" As in "Lord, am I like that?" So then real faith exhibits self-doubt in weakness. But pride and certainty comes from the outward rebellious nature in a man...even a religious pride...

I would teach you the difference between being puffed up and being edified. The first is towards the self-love and self-protection of the outer man....which you are fully engaging in at the present time...unknowingly of course. And the latter is by being humble and letting the truth sink into...

Enoch, you don't realize just how much you are like our divisive new friend. Just how much pride and self-love you also exhibit...albeit a lot more concealed. This happens when you don't know that you are speaking, not from the weak and graceful inner man...but from the strength and head...

Be careful....very careful...your self-love is getting in the way of God's commands to love others...and even esteem others as higher than yourself. As long as you are protecting yourself...even a legitimate part of yourself which is the inner man, you will be causing offense to others in the...

Good testimony. But be careful not to try making the Christian walk conform to only what you have experienced. There is a LOT to experience in the Lord. And the body of Christ is very diverse in experience and gifting. We are not to bring division into the body. (heresy) I was baptized into the...

People in this present time have relegated walking in the Spirit to walking as any other man but with a sincere effort at doing what is right. Or it may even be being led by the Spirit...but NOT actually walking IN the Spirit. So then people exaggerate their level of walks to believe in lies...