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Actually Victory, most Catholics don't even know what their church teaches. When it comes to most anything, they make up their own mind. But you're right....the CC has changed it's position and this means that, yes - they were wrong before or they're wrong now. Personally, I believe they were...

1. What do you mean by Christianizing the gospel? Isn't the gospel Christian in nature? 2. I'm happy to hear that you DO NOT agree with Augustine private views. Because HE'S THE ONLY early church theologian that put forth the idea of the absence of FREE WILL and PREDESTINATION as to who will...

The above all point to eternal security and not OSAS.... The difference: Eternal security: If we CONTINUE to have faith in Jesus and ABIDE in Him....we will receive final salvation at the end of our life. OSAS: No matter what a person does after salvation...he will be saved anyway because...

Right. God's sovereignty would come into question. As if ALL Christians don't believe in God's sovereignty! But it goes even beyond what you said. IF GOD is choosing who is to be saved...then surely He will keep us saved. Very close to what you've stated. Except that these believers should...

You're right. About me being upset. To see such a strong church (with all its faults) just fold like this. And I'm insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It's the Bishops and priests that are having a difficult time. I know a couple pretty personally and it's interesting to see the...

We all struggle with agape love. I think of it as the same way I think of the 4th commandment... honor your father and your mother. Maybe we don't LIKE our father or our mother... but we should honor them anyway... honor...to give respect...to care for.... Agape love is the same.... We don't...

Good thinking! Yes. If we are serving satan we really do not have free will because we're bound up in what he wants us to do and it enslaves us in one way or another...think of drugs, harmful emotional situations, unhealthy habits, etc. We are indeed slaves in need of salvation. But we are...

I don't know J.... you sound pretty knowledgeable to me. Looking for something edifying? How about this.... John 13:35 Jesus said "By this will all men know that you are my disciples, that you have love for one another."

OK But don't forget Romans 8 We are in Christ Jesus. The law of the spirit has set us free from the law of sin and death. And what about Romans 6:16 We are slaves to the one TO WHOM WE PRESENT OURSELVES. We present ourselves to the one we wish to serve. Also, biblically, free will has a very...

And the answer is correct. As usual, we agree. And why wouldn't I reply? The above sounds like YOU....

I don't think you could even delete it anymore. It doesn't sound like anything I'd say. It must be from the SOURCE I had posted to show the changes....

Scott, I haven't followed along 100%, but I don't think @GracePeace will be needing a lifeline. I think he/she is on the right path and trying to find the truth - if not already found. When there's a question about something important, it's a good idea to see what the Apostles taught to those...

Correct. But the reformation expoused some beliefs that are gnostic... that came from gnostic teachings... like the absence of free will. Gnostics believed that outside forces determined what humans would or would not do. I think it's important to note that the church REFUSED the idea that we...

I can only forgive a person that does wrong to ME. The Pope did nothing personally to ME. And no, I cannot forgive any "religious" leader that is running his church into the ground. Which is what this Pope is doing. Good. So we agree. So what do you think of the leader of ANY denominations...

Then I apologize for not understanding you. OK. NOW we could discuss your philosophy, if you want to. Mine is that when a person is at the end of their life, the best we could do is make them comfortable and not try to keep them alive and all this ESPECIALLY if they're in pain or are having...

John,,,,I didn't say the above. Please correct your post... or delete it. Thanks.

I meant Christianity of course. But Christianity is practiced and learned about in churches, or maybe I should say denominations. What do YOU think? Should the church change society when it wanders? (or at least give a warning). or Should the world change the church? (with its ideas, mostly...

LOL OK Wrangler. I don't see your reply but just your philosophy. I'll tell you the answer for you: If you had a terrible pain in the abdominal area and were told that it was necessary to operate to remove your appendix.... you'd say OK.

I have a friend that believes what you say above. If you keep feeding a person forcefully, they will live longer than normal. So it's believed, by some, that if you stop the food and water, it's THAT that is making them die. If the sick person that is dying would just be left to their own...

I didn't know we were discussing the medical profession. That is NOT what this thread is about. I'm not even really discussing euthanasia. You're reading into this thread your own problems with the medical profession - maybe.