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Is God controlling everything the same to your understanding as God giving us free will but ALLOWING things to happen? What do you mean by controlling? I agree that God allows things to happen... I believe that the end result will be what HE intended it to be. In the end God will achieve what...

You have to GET ME TO SEE the basic truth that most people want to live and not die? And you want to explain WHY? That's pretty funny A.

Not only do they NOT EDIFY...which most don't anyway... but it shows how calvinism makes no logical sense at all... Would God want His people to be split... one part having one paradigm... and one part having a different, and opposite, paradigm. I don't believe so...thus calvinism cannot be...

Great. And I told you so. How about MORE OF THIS,,, and less arguing?

People want to live and not die? THIS is what you were getting at? One doesn't have to be a psychiatrist to know that MOST PERSONS want to live and not die. Now you want to discuss WHY? What does this have to do with free will? How many more posts will it take to get to your FINAL POINT?

Of course it was. I gave you a three page reply for your other thread. I told you why we still have free will. YOU have never shown my WHEN, WHERE OR HOW we lost it. You prefer to argue. I don't argue this much with my husband. If you have a statement re the thread's O.P., fine... otherwise...

Wha????? Do YOU want to immolate yourself? Bye A.

Prove WHAT? You expect me to go back and reread a whole post of mine? Why didn't you just highlight it and bring it down here? :confused:

Oh my. Did you think I'm not sane? Maybe you could have ASSUMED that I'm sane? You take little, tiny, baby steps. Yes. This DOES require a lot of patience.

And that is what I am TOTALLY against: God choosing people. WE choose to believe or not believe. We are not so totally depraved that we cannot make a choice. We still have our free will intact. I talk about the above, You talk about how we cannot talk. IF I don't understand you, why not just...

I explained my understanding of Romans 1:19-20

Did I say God didn't know? Does God KNOWING SOMETHING mean that HE CAUSED it to happen? Romans 8:28 Whatever happens to us,,, even bad things,,, God can use for our benefit. This does not mean that God caused the bad thing to happen. GOD DOES NOT CAUSE EVIL.... If He did, He couldn't be...

You quoted Romans 8:20 with no explanation. Some persons do this...I guess some here could read minds, but I cannot. I wanted to know if you were saying that GOD SUBJECTED NATURE to the sin nature. So I guess I have to assume that this is what you're saying.. IF IT IS... then you have...

You can't. Of course. Not easy to debate with the truth, is it? Interesting that YOU started this thread, and YOU have no answer for it. Normal, as with all calvinists. This is because your theology MAKES NO SENSE.

This is very interesting indeed. Since you say God determines EVERYTHING,,,He must surely be a God of confusion... and yet the bible teaches me that He is NOT a God of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33 33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. If...

I've quoted many times Romans 1:19-20 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has...

Sorry A, I wouldn't be personally assured by YOU! This is becoming rather silly. Let's stick to scripture. I believe in God. I wouldn't listen to anyone in a booth in a mall. I don't believe in reincarnation. I don't like talking about hypotheticals...it's a waste of time. If you're trying...

[ Easy. Romans 10:14-15 14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE...

Are you saying God has subjected the earth to the fall willingly? If so, Could you please exegete Romans 8:20? Thanks.

Gee. Thanks for the explanation of questions 1 and 2 in the parenthesis at the end. I NEVER would have known. Thank God Jesus taught us to be humble....