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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    This is a strawman argument because it intentionally misrepresents the argument of their opponents in order to make it easier to discredit it. It involves a picture being presented that doesn’t accurately reflect the beliefs of the one you are debating. By exaggerating, distorting, or...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Your doctrine forces you to come out with some ridiculous claims. You are explaining away the wording of Scriptures to support your absurd claims. This is your pattern. I am sure Premils often cringe at your ridiculous claims.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Apollinarius of Laodicea Apollinarius took up the ancient Premillennial baton from these early heretics. Notably, he too was a prominent heretic who was strongly opposed and renounced by the universal Church of his day. Very little of what he wrote has been passed down to us. Most of it was...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Porphyry/Porphyrius Porphyrius is another heretic who promoted the Premillennial doctrine. He was an enemy of orthodox Christianity and held views that were in conflict with the more-moderate classic early Chiliasm. He was another Judaizer who tried to foist old covenant practices upon New...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Marcion Through his distorted view of the Hebrew Scriptures, Marcion also advanced the idea of the full recovery of the Jewish tradition in the future. He saw the nation retaking its favored Old Testament position above all nations again in the future. He absurdly believed that Israel...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    I know you are extremely uncomfortable with it, but the evidence of history shows the founders of modern Premil were all heretics. You have no rebuttal to that. Cerinthus Cerinthus of Asia Minor had an unrefined sensual view of a future millennium arriving after the second coming. He...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    1. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described sin existing on a future millennial earth? 2. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described corruption existing on a future millennial earth? 3. Please quote any ECF in the first...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You had no answers then, and you have no answers now. Your thesis has fell apart a long time ago. The white flag has been raised by you when you admitted early Chiliasm had one tenet in common with modern Premil. It is time to give your claims a decent burial.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    LOL. What mumbo jumbo. Your response graphically and powerfully exposes the folly of your position. This is exactly what Premil produces. All your bias unobjective theological double-speak is exposed by the wording of text. You totally contradict yourself in just a few words. You hang on your...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You are totally winging it again. As is your pattern, you totally avoid the Scriptures that forbid your beliefs. You have to. So, what is the Greek word for earth that describes the whole earth?
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    It is obvious that you realize you have zero support from the ECFs right up until AD 240. Your failure to present one single quote to support all the main tenets of Premil apart from one (a future thousand years, albeit Chiliasts believed it will be a perfect age, unlike your rerun of our...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    More ignorant partisan boastings by you. And all this coming from one who by his own admission cannot be bothered to research this subject for himself. You depend upon discredited and prejudice historians like Thomas Ice, who have obviously not taken the required time to determine the thrust of...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    If you are adamant in interpreting a thousand years hyper-literally, how long is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 is? i.e. is it sixty minutes? Hello! We are in the Messianic kingdom age. Premils want to literalize that which is spiritual and...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You are totally winging it again. As is your pattern, you totally avoid the Scriptures that forbid your beliefs. You have to. So, what is the Greek word for earth that describes the whole globe?
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Yes, it is meant to be an insult! Why can you not tell the truth? That is you own invention. Stop talking around the question. So, who do you think the Amils think that they have replaced? Is it ethnic Israel or is it spiritual Israel?
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Exactly, that occurs after the millennium. You are avoiding the issue again.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Op Note Some of the challenges the early writers faced were: (1) They were not blessed with the completed canon of Scripture as we are today. They did not have the written New Testament. (2) While were quickly growing, the New Testament Church was still an infant, immature and developing...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Interestingly, the only place outside of Revelation 20 that the term a thousand years is mentioned in the New Testament is in 2 Peter 3. There, it is significantly used in an entirely figurative sense. In this chapter, Peter is specifically addressing the cynics who live in the last days that...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Let us take the phrase “a thousand years.” There is a big difference between “a thousand years” (which Scriptures states) and "one thousand years" (as you keep stating). The number 'one' is not included in the narrative, you must insert it in. Rather it is the more general thousand. The figure...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Your reasoning is wrong! What you attribute to Revelation 20 enjoys zero support elsewhere in the Word. I was brought up Pretrib and Premil. Like many, my study of Scripture exposed that teaching. Now i am in line with the Book. Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know...